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noname2200 said:
TadpoleJackson said:


Declaration of Paris outlawed it. It's subject to life imprisonment in the US. 

?

Where are you getting that from? Do you mean "piracy" instead? Because privateering powers are included in the Constitution. And it doesn't make much sense to get life imprisonment for something that the Congress has specifically permitted you to do!


http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1652

My mistake, if an American serves on a privateer that hurts the US they will be imprisoned. Or if they arm one that does 

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1654



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TadpoleJackson said:
noname2200 said:
TadpoleJackson said:


Declaration of Paris outlawed it. It's subject to life imprisonment in the US. 

?

Where are you getting that from? Do you mean "piracy" instead? Because privateering powers are included in the Constitution. And it doesn't make much sense to get life imprisonment for something that the Congress has specifically permitted you to do!


http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1652

My mistake, if an American serves on a privateer that hurts the US they will be imprisoned. Or if they arm one that does 

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1654

Ah. That makes sense!



I personally agree. If the content is on the disc, then you should legally own that content.



JoeTheBro said:
No, just no. We buy a license to play the game, just like with movies and music. I don't see a difference between on disc and day one dlc.


You're buying a physical copy of the media. Short of in any way sharing the copyrighted material I'm pretty sure the disk is yours to do what you like with.



noname2200 said:
JoeTheBro said:
No, just no. We buy a license to play the game, just like with movies and music. I don't see a difference between on disc and day one dlc.

Well lookey you, Mr. On-Topic.

I don't think it's actually that clear cut. There's a clear legal difference between a "sale" (physical object sold) and a "license" (no physical object is present). The only semi-on-point case I know of regarding whether you can circumvent DRM wound up on the "yes" side.


It's selling a license. You may have your own opinion, but according to the government and companies involved this is how it works.

 

@everyone else

Sorry for not being clear. I don't like these DLCs just as much as you do. I'm against the mind-set everyone seems to have about ownership of what is on the disc.



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JoeTheBro said:
noname2200 said:
JoeTheBro said:
No, just no. We buy a license to play the game, just like with movies and music. I don't see a difference between on disc and day one dlc.

Well lookey you, Mr. On-Topic.

I don't think it's actually that clear cut. There's a clear legal difference between a "sale" (physical object sold) and a "license" (no physical object is present). The only semi-on-point case I know of regarding whether you can circumvent DRM wound up on the "yes" side.


It's selling a license. You may have your own opinion, but according to the government and companies involved this is how it works.

"Companies involved" I'll give you, although when determining legality that amounts to a hill of beans. ("What, the plaintiff says he's entitled to legal relief? Shocking!")

The government though? What's your source? The best I can think of is the plain language of the DMCA, but again the only case I know of took a more nuanced view. And I don't mean that question in a hostile way. But as I understand it, the court cases I know of  that relate to this matter say the opposite of what you're stating.

 

Edit: got my wires crossed on the government portion. I must be more tired than I thought. Re-write that to "I can't think of the government taking a firm position on the matter." Keep the part about the courts' interpretations, though.



Charging $60 per game for an incomplete game. Then charging $10 to $20 for DLC that should be included in the full game.



im of the opinion just charge more upfront for everything possibly with a bundle discount or offer a package where they can buy it per chapter and pay a smaller amount for each chunk but more overall, and really stop with the every came should be X dollars cause that is bull

 

edit 

I would pay 120/130 upfront if i knew it covered everything for a game i knew i would buy everything for

 

and i would take more chances if a game was 20 to start and then i could buy more of it later 

 



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Another point that Pachter makes which everyone else does as well is the fact that if you are putting on disc dlc (or day 1 dlc for that matter) then obviously the content was already completed before launch and you could have just included it in the game. Hence they are just essentially chopping off part of the game to sell at a later date. Although no one if legally preventing them from doing this, it is very bad business and is going a long way in screwing the consumer.

The best way against this is for us consumers to fight back with our wallets. Not buy the game or at least the dlc itself. DLC should be developed after a game has been released as an add-on or extra experience, not a chopped off part of a game.



 

Even if you own the disc and its content, circumvention of DRM itself is illegal under the DMCA (in the US). You're not currently allowed to format shift DVDs you actually own. So Pachter is 100% wrong.

Did I mention the DMCA is the most stupid law ever to exist.