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oniyide on 22 May 2012
TomaTito said:

COD3 sold more than the PS3 version, then COD4 wasn't released simultaneously with the HD versions, so the audience moved. It wasn't until years later that they started making ports, and we all know what happens to late releases. The things the Wii audience has had to put up, not even knowing if the next version was going to be released, etc. No wonder they jumped ship.


oh please they missed ONE year, one. Lets not be so dramatic. THere was ONE late released game, all others have released the same time as the HD versions. I say they also jumped ship because COD3 for Wii sucked hard, much harder than the PS3 version, so i would say that is a factor why they ran.



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curl-6 on 22 May 2012
oniyide said:
TomaTito said:

COD3 sold more than the PS3 version, then COD4 wasn't released simultaneously with the HD versions, so the audience moved. It wasn't until years later that they started making ports, and we all know what happens to late releases. The things the Wii audience has had to put up, not even knowing if the next version was going to be released, etc. No wonder they jumped ship.


oh please they missed ONE year, one. Lets not be so dramatic. THere was ONE late released game, all others have released the same time as the HD versions. I say they also jumped ship because COD3 for Wii sucked hard, much harder than the PS3 version, so i would say that is a factor why they ran.

That one game that it missed happened to be THE game that propelled COD from moderate success to superstardom. Had the Wii gotten MW1 at the same time as the others, it and all the following Wii COD games would have sold far more.

As it is, their sales still turned a profit and almost all cleared the million mark despite the Wii missing the formation of the current fanbase.



sperrico87 on 22 May 2012
curl-6 said:
NightDragon83 said:
Because those are pretty much the only games released for the Wii over the past year besides SS, and SS is not a casual game, so it's either Just Dance 3 or bust for 95% of current Wii owners lol.


That's the thing though, the way people talk, 95% of Wii owners have a dusty Wii in a closet somewhere that they never touch anymore. Yet still almost 10% of the entire userbase bought JD3 already...


Well, it's not the casuals moving on from Wii that Nintendo has to worry about...  it's people like us who have long since abandoned the Wii in favor of 360/PS3.  You know, due to the year-long droughts of first-party games.  Nintendo has completely lost the hardcore gamer crowd, even some Nintendo die-hards are feeling anti-Nintendo.  The Wii U will probably change that, but as far as Wii goes...that system is done.



 

curl-6 on 22 May 2012
sperrico87 said:
curl-6 said:
NightDragon83 said:
Because those are pretty much the only games released for the Wii over the past year besides SS, and SS is not a casual game, so it's either Just Dance 3 or bust for 95% of current Wii owners lol.


That's the thing though, the way people talk, 95% of Wii owners have a dusty Wii in a closet somewhere that they never touch anymore. Yet still almost 10% of the entire userbase bought JD3 already...


Well, it's not the casuals moving on from Wii that Nintendo has to worry about...  it's people like us who have long since abandoned the Wii in favor of 360/PS3.  You know, due to the year-long droughts of first-party games.  Nintendo has completely lost the hardcore gamer crowd, even some Nintendo die-hards are feeling anti-Nintendo.  The Wii U will probably change that, but as far as Wii goes...that system is done.

The "hardcore" have been anti-Nintendo since the 16-bit days when the Megadrive was marketed as "cooler" than Nintendo, I don't see this as a new phenomenon.



TheShape31 on 22 May 2012

"The casuals have moved on from the Wii" is such a crazy, irrational argument.

The casuals are all that are left when it comes to the Wii. Nintendo's hardcore audience picked one up early, and they're gone now. The general hardcore gamer tried it (maybe) and left it long ago. It's the parents looking for a cheap gaming toy for their kids that are buying the Wii. These are the casuals that will be dancing to the next rhythm-based game coming out.

Same goes for Kinect, only casuals are left playing that thing.



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oniyide on 22 May 2012
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
TomaTito said:

COD3 sold more than the PS3 version, then COD4 wasn't released simultaneously with the HD versions, so the audience moved. It wasn't until years later that they started making ports, and we all know what happens to late releases. The things the Wii audience has had to put up, not even knowing if the next version was going to be released, etc. No wonder they jumped ship.


oh please they missed ONE year, one. Lets not be so dramatic. THere was ONE late released game, all others have released the same time as the HD versions. I say they also jumped ship because COD3 for Wii sucked hard, much harder than the PS3 version, so i would say that is a factor why they ran.

That one game that it missed happened to be THE game that propelled COD from moderate success to superstardom. Had the Wii gotten MW1 at the same time as the others, it and all the following Wii COD games would have sold far more.

As it is, their sales still turned a profit and almost all cleared the million mark despite the Wii missing the formation of the current fanbase.

maybe, maybe not, unless we have access to another alternate dimension we can never be too sure.  Id say that MW2 was the game to propel it to superstardom but that never even came out so ill concede that point, I just dont believe it would have made that much of a difference IMHO. We are talking about gaps of 10mil plus. I seriously doubt that the Wii version would have done as well even if the games released regularly. Better, but not close. There are also other factors, Wii version not looking as crisp, no DL, later updates, generally runs worse, etc. Its not just COD look at any game thats not a dance, exercise or family friendly title and the HD version always trounces, its been like that all gen



oniyide on 22 May 2012
TheShape31 said:
"The casuals have moved on from the Wii" is such a crazy, irrational argument.

The casuals are all that are left when it comes to the Wii. Nintendo's hardcore audience picked one up early, and they're gone now. The general hardcore gamer tried it (maybe) and left it long ago. It's the parents looking for a cheap gaming toy for their kids that are buying the Wii. These are the casuals that will be dancing to the next rhythm-based game coming out.

Same goes for Kinect, only casuals are left playing that thing.

its not so much they moved on, they are just playing the other systems a hell of alot more. Why wouldnt they? Its not even about the 1st party, its the 3rd. I imagine that most people's library is filled with mostly 3rd party games because thats what mostly available, when you have a system that is not even getting the good ones and when they do it is far below that of the competition, you would be crazy not to get an HD or PC



curl-6 on 22 May 2012
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
TomaTito said:

COD3 sold more than the PS3 version, then COD4 wasn't released simultaneously with the HD versions, so the audience moved. It wasn't until years later that they started making ports, and we all know what happens to late releases. The things the Wii audience has had to put up, not even knowing if the next version was going to be released, etc. No wonder they jumped ship.


oh please they missed ONE year, one. Lets not be so dramatic. THere was ONE late released game, all others have released the same time as the HD versions. I say they also jumped ship because COD3 for Wii sucked hard, much harder than the PS3 version, so i would say that is a factor why they ran.

That one game that it missed happened to be THE game that propelled COD from moderate success to superstardom. Had the Wii gotten MW1 at the same time as the others, it and all the following Wii COD games would have sold far more.

As it is, their sales still turned a profit and almost all cleared the million mark despite the Wii missing the formation of the current fanbase.

maybe, maybe not, unless we have access to another alternate dimension we can never be too sure.  Id say that MW2 was the game to propel it to superstardom but that never even came out so ill concede that point, I just dont believe it would have made that much of a difference IMHO. We are talking about gaps of 10mil plus. I seriously doubt that the Wii version would have done as well even if the games released regularly. Better, but not close. There are also other factors, Wii version not looking as crisp, no DL, later updates, generally runs worse, etc. Its not just COD look at any game thats not a dance, exercise or family friendly title and the HD version always trounces, its been like that all gen

I agree it still would no have matched the PS360 version for sales, but it would have sold much more than it has. Missing MW2 was a blow as well, yes.

The PS360 offer a bigger market for "mature" games (I mean that in the sense of them having violence, sex, etc) that's no secret. But that doesn't mean there isn't a market for such games on the Wii, as games like COD3/W@W/MW1/BO, Goldeneye 007, Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles and House of the Dead 2 & 3 Return can attest. Goldeneye and House of the Dead Overkill also sold better on the Wii.



oniyide on 22 May 2012
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
TomaTito said:

COD3 sold more than the PS3 version, then COD4 wasn't released simultaneously with the HD versions, so the audience moved. It wasn't until years later that they started making ports, and we all know what happens to late releases. The things the Wii audience has had to put up, not even knowing if the next version was going to be released, etc. No wonder they jumped ship.


oh please they missed ONE year, one. Lets not be so dramatic. THere was ONE late released game, all others have released the same time as the HD versions. I say they also jumped ship because COD3 for Wii sucked hard, much harder than the PS3 version, so i would say that is a factor why they ran.

That one game that it missed happened to be THE game that propelled COD from moderate success to superstardom. Had the Wii gotten MW1 at the same time as the others, it and all the following Wii COD games would have sold far more.

As it is, their sales still turned a profit and almost all cleared the million mark despite the Wii missing the formation of the current fanbase.

maybe, maybe not, unless we have access to another alternate dimension we can never be too sure.  Id say that MW2 was the game to propel it to superstardom but that never even came out so ill concede that point, I just dont believe it would have made that much of a difference IMHO. We are talking about gaps of 10mil plus. I seriously doubt that the Wii version would have done as well even if the games released regularly. Better, but not close. There are also other factors, Wii version not looking as crisp, no DL, later updates, generally runs worse, etc. Its not just COD look at any game thats not a dance, exercise or family friendly title and the HD version always trounces, its been like that all gen

I agree it still would no have matched the PS360 version for sales, but it would have sold much more than it has. Missing MW2 was a blow as well, yes.

The PS360 offer a bigger market for "mature" games (I mean that in the sense of them having violence, sex, etc) that's no secret. But that doesn't mean there isn't a market for such games on the Wii, as games like COD3/W@W/MW1/BO, Goldeneye 007, Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles and House of the Dead 2 & 3 Return can attest. Goldeneye and House of the Dead Overkill also sold better on the Wii.

thats not really fair though, GE had a year headstart on WIi, id bet both of my testicles that had it been released day and date as the Wii version, Wii version would have gotten trounced as usual. Plus Activision was charging 60 damn dollars for it, it cost more than it did a year ago than even when Wii version was first out. Im shocked it sold that well on HDs. HOD Overkill was damn near 2 years late. I see your point but come on man those are bad comparisons



curl-6 on 22 May 2012
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
TomaTito said:

COD3 sold more than the PS3 version, then COD4 wasn't released simultaneously with the HD versions, so the audience moved. It wasn't until years later that they started making ports, and we all know what happens to late releases. The things the Wii audience has had to put up, not even knowing if the next version was going to be released, etc. No wonder they jumped ship.


oh please they missed ONE year, one. Lets not be so dramatic. THere was ONE late released game, all others have released the same time as the HD versions. I say they also jumped ship because COD3 for Wii sucked hard, much harder than the PS3 version, so i would say that is a factor why they ran.

That one game that it missed happened to be THE game that propelled COD from moderate success to superstardom. Had the Wii gotten MW1 at the same time as the others, it and all the following Wii COD games would have sold far more.

As it is, their sales still turned a profit and almost all cleared the million mark despite the Wii missing the formation of the current fanbase.

maybe, maybe not, unless we have access to another alternate dimension we can never be too sure.  Id say that MW2 was the game to propel it to superstardom but that never even came out so ill concede that point, I just dont believe it would have made that much of a difference IMHO. We are talking about gaps of 10mil plus. I seriously doubt that the Wii version would have done as well even if the games released regularly. Better, but not close. There are also other factors, Wii version not looking as crisp, no DL, later updates, generally runs worse, etc. Its not just COD look at any game thats not a dance, exercise or family friendly title and the HD version always trounces, its been like that all gen

I agree it still would no have matched the PS360 version for sales, but it would have sold much more than it has. Missing MW2 was a blow as well, yes.

The PS360 offer a bigger market for "mature" games (I mean that in the sense of them having violence, sex, etc) that's no secret. But that doesn't mean there isn't a market for such games on the Wii, as games like COD3/W@W/MW1/BO, Goldeneye 007, Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles and House of the Dead 2 & 3 Return can attest. Goldeneye and House of the Dead Overkill also sold better on the Wii.

thats not really fair though, GE had a year headstart on WIi, id bet both of my testicles that had it been released day and date as the Wii version, Wii version would have gotten trounced as usual. Plus Activision was charging 60 damn dollars for it, it cost more than it did a year ago than even when Wii version was first out. Im shocked it sold that well on HDs. HOD Overkill was damn near 2 years late. I see your point but come on man those are bad comparisons

I thought the comparison was rather fitting as MW1 had a similar 2 year delay on Wii.