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Avinash_Tyagi on 13 January 2008
brute said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

 Wasn't one game, that is what you are making the mistke, it isn't one game that sells a system, largest library wins, always, its the tons of shovelware and casual games that win


yes and thats why i sadi as more games came out its attach rate fell though you cannot call that a non system seller


 Yes but more games aren't coming out, just those hardcore games, Wii has the casual games this gen, hence why your argument fails, its only a system seller to the hardcore, not to the causals



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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Avinash_Tyagi on 13 January 2008
CrazzyMan said:
those 15% are the same guys who buy things like MGS, FF, DMC, etc. so basically you've got maybe 20% of the PS2's fanbase buying a PS3, if you consider some overlap, and that is at most.

I wonder, how will you PROVE that? =)))))

Wasn't one game, that is what you are making the mistke, it isn't one game that sells a system, largest library wins, always, its the tons of shovelware and casual games that win

So, all those over 40 games won`t be released on PS3, or WHAT is your POINT? They will be released on Wii? =))
I see already Star ocean on wii, also Tekken on wii, also Kingdom hearts on wii. =)))

OK. How many of these games:
Virtua Fighter
Soul calibur
Wild arms
Front Mission
Z.O.E
Resident Evil
Silent Hill
Dino Crysis
Devil May cry
Kingdom Hearts
Medal Of Honor
Ridge Racer
Tales of ...
Disgaea
Valkyrie profile
Persona
Grand Theft Auto
Burnout
Crash Bandicoot
Onimusha
Ace Combat
Ratchet and Clank
Xenosaga
Guitar Hero
Metal slug
Armored Core
Star ocean
Spyro
Breath of fire
Chrono ...
Grandia

will be released on wii?
won`t be released on PS3?
also you have facts, that only 20 mln. of gamers care about THESE games and 100 mln. DON`T care? =) Can you prove that? =)


 And those games appeal to who, RPG gamers, fighter gamers, etc. hardcore games, with the exception of a couple I see no casual games, you see my point the PS3 appeals to one niche only



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

CrazzyMan on 13 January 2008

Yes but more games aren't coming out, just those hardcore games, Wii has the casual games this gen, hence why your argument fails

LOL. So HOW many casual games from 3rd PARTIES did over 1 mln. on Wii?
5 games from 15? So how situation differs from GC? =))
What new games not from Nintendo you expect to break 1 mln. in 2008?

GC had 38 games and only 15 games not from nintendo. =]
And those games appeal to who, RPG gamers, fighter gamers, etc. hardcore games, with the exception of a couple I see no casual games, you see my point the PS3 appeals to one niche only

But, can you PROVE, that these games were buying same 20% of PS2 user base?



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

brute on 13 January 2008
Avinash_Tyagi said:
brute said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

 Wasn't one game, that is what you are making the mistke, it isn't one game that sells a system, largest library wins, always, its the tons of shovelware and casual games that win


yes and thats why i sadi as more games came out its attach rate fell though you cannot call that a non system seller


 Yes but more games aren't coming out, just those hardcore games, Wii has the casual games this gen, hence why your argument fails, its only a system seller to the hardcore, not to the causals


i agree that wii has the casuals this gen but i think GT will also sell to the casuals(most casuals love racers)FF13 wii sell to the japanese casuals i think wii will win cause of casuals but these games will definitely also help ps3



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Avinash_Tyagi on 13 January 2008
CrazzyMan said:
Yes but more games aren't coming out, just those hardcore games, Wii has the casual games this gen, hence why your argument fails

LOL. So HOW many casual games from 3rd PARTIES did over 1 mln. on Wii?
5 games from 15? So how situation differs from GC? =))
What new games not from Nintendo you expect to break 1 mln. in 2008?

GC had 38 games and only 15 games not from nintendo. =]
And those games appeal to who, RPG gamers, fighter gamers, etc. hardcore games, with the exception of a couple I see no casual games, you see my point the PS3 appeals to one niche only

But, can you PROVE, that these games were buying same 20% of PS2 user base?

 Who cares if its from nintendo or not, do you think the average consumer cares?

 

 Just wait and see, when the release of these big games o nthe PS3 don't push PS3 into first place then you'll see I was right, not only Will Wii still lead, but after temporary spike its lead will continue to grow



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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___O_o______ on 13 January 2008
brute said:
catprog said:
___O_o______ said:

Pretend this is two years from now. The Wii price has dropped considerably (let's say 180) and the ps3 has dropped to (250) . When they see a bunch of games that they recognize on the ps3 that were on the ps2, would they choose a PS3 over Wii? After all, it is just a 70 dollar difference. When they see the same old franchises from 20 years ago as games on the Wii, will they choose a Wii over a ps3?

 

So old franchises will help the PS3 but not the wii?

 


hes saying that ps2's franchises will help sell ps3 more then wii though i think wii will steal alot of them


 I personally don't think the Wii will be able to steal those Franchises. Quite a few of those ps2 franchises started on the playstation brand. Putting those games on the Wii would be a huge step back graphics-wise, but gameplay wise, who knows.

 The Wii will start its own franchises, that fill in all the genres it didn't get from the ps2. So in my eyes, it's proven titles, against new titles. The question is, will those ps2 users going to the next-gen choose those proven titles or the newer titles?



Avinash_Tyagi on 13 January 2008
brute said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
brute said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

 Wasn't one game, that is what you are making the mistke, it isn't one game that sells a system, largest library wins, always, its the tons of shovelware and casual games that win


yes and thats why i sadi as more games came out its attach rate fell though you cannot call that a non system seller


 Yes but more games aren't coming out, just those hardcore games, Wii has the casual games this gen, hence why your argument fails, its only a system seller to the hardcore, not to the causals


i agree that wii has the casuals this gen but i think GT will also sell to the casuals(most casuals love racers)FF13 wii sell to the japanese casuals i think wii will win cause of casuals but these games will definitely also help ps3


 No most casuals don't care about racers, 15 million out of populations in the hundreds of millions across the three regions, means most didn't care about the game



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

brute on 13 January 2008
Avinash_Tyagi said:
brute said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
brute said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

 Wasn't one game, that is what you are making the mistke, it isn't one game that sells a system, largest library wins, always, its the tons of shovelware and casual games that win


yes and thats why i sadi as more games came out its attach rate fell though you cannot call that a non system seller


 Yes but more games aren't coming out, just those hardcore games, Wii has the casual games this gen, hence why your argument fails, its only a system seller to the hardcore, not to the causals


i agree that wii has the casuals this gen but i think GT will also sell to the casuals(most casuals love racers)FF13 wii sell to the japanese casuals i think wii will win cause of casuals but these games will definitely also help ps3


 No most casuals don't care about racers, 15 million out of populations in the hundreds of millions across the three regions, means most didn't care about the game


 

oh so that means people didnt care about any game on ps2 right?since they all sold so low compared to the userbase

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brute on 13 January 2008
___O_o______ said:
brute said:
catprog said:
___O_o______ said:

Pretend this is two years from now. The Wii price has dropped considerably (let's say 180) and the ps3 has dropped to (250) . When they see a bunch of games that they recognize on the ps3 that were on the ps2, would they choose a PS3 over Wii? After all, it is just a 70 dollar difference. When they see the same old franchises from 20 years ago as games on the Wii, will they choose a Wii over a ps3?

 

So old franchises will help the PS3 but not the wii?

 


hes saying that ps2's franchises will help sell ps3 more then wii though i think wii will steal alot of them


 I personally don't think the Wii will be able to steal those Franchises. Quite a few of those ps2 franchises started on the playstation brand. Putting those games on the Wii would be a huge step back graphics-wise, but gameplay wise, who knows.

 The Wii will start its own franchises, that fill in all the genres it didn't get from the ps2. So in my eyes, it's proven titles, against new titles. The question is, will those ps2 users going to the next-gen choose those proven titles or the newer titles?


i think wii will steal most of its japanese oriented series



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Avinash_Tyagi on 13 January 2008
brute said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
brute said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
brute said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

 Wasn't one game, that is what you are making the mistke, it isn't one game that sells a system, largest library wins, always, its the tons of shovelware and casual games that win


yes and thats why i sadi as more games came out its attach rate fell though you cannot call that a non system seller


 Yes but more games aren't coming out, just those hardcore games, Wii has the casual games this gen, hence why your argument fails, its only a system seller to the hardcore, not to the causals


i agree that wii has the casuals this gen but i think GT will also sell to the casuals(most casuals love racers)FF13 wii sell to the japanese casuals i think wii will win cause of casuals but these games will definitely also help ps3


 No most casuals don't care about racers, 15 million out of populations in the hundreds of millions across the three regions, means most didn't care about the game


 

oh so that means people didnt care about any game on ps2 right?since they all sold so low compared to the userbase

 Most people didn't care about gaming, why do you think Nintendo is trying to do with the Wii, what did Reggie say in E3 2006?  Do you know people who never read books or watch TV or go to the movies?  How about video games?

 

Most games never appeal to the full userbase of any console, even packins



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)