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kowenicki said:

thats 40% of the company value gone since the Kaz speech

market cap has now fallen below $14bn


Are you effing serious? That went quick.



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Aren't Sony's total assets about US$165bn? Regardless of the current state of their stock value.



justinian said:

Aren't Sony's total assets about US$165bn? Regardless of the current state of their stock value.

152.77bn I believe, but I'll have to check to be sure.



I really wanna see Sony thrive but right now they're in major trouble.



This thread is getting sad.



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Millenium said:
justinian said:

Aren't Sony's total assets about US$165bn? Regardless of the current state of their stock value.

152.77bn I believe, but I'll have to check to be sure.


So are these assets factor into the overall value of the company?

I just don't get how MS can make more profit in a year than Sony is worth. Is that just idiot talk or am I missing something?



justinian said:
Millenium said:
justinian said:

Aren't Sony's total assets about US$165bn? Regardless of the current state of their stock value.

152.77bn I believe, but I'll have to check to be sure.


So are these assets factor into the overall value of the company?

I just don't get how MS can make more profit in a year than Sony is worth. Is that just idiot talk or am I missing something

 

A company is only worth what someone will pay for their stock, you can have all the assests under the sun but if your assets barely cover the cost of your lending then your a substantial risk.  This risk is proving to be a serious concern now to an extent the markets are rapidly losing faith in Sony as a investment. 

OT - They didn't get in this mess overnight though and they aren't going to get out of the mess quickly either.  Once a clear business plan is in place and they actually hit some of their targets for a change (they've been woeful in their predictions for years) then they may start to get back market confidence.  Once this happens they can start on the road to recovery.  I hope they give Kaz 6 months to start to see his plans panning out, it'll be another 12 months though before we get any clear indicators of a recovery in the companies fortunes imo.



slowmo said:
justinian said:
Millenium said:
justinian said:

Aren't Sony's total assets about US$165bn? Regardless of the current state of their stock value.

152.77bn I believe, but I'll have to check to be sure.


So are these assets factor into the overall value of the company?

I just don't get how MS can make more profit in a year than Sony is worth. Is that just idiot talk or am I missing something

 

A company is only worth what someone will pay for their stock, you can have all the assests under the sun but if your assets barely cover the cost of your lending then your a substantial risk.  This risk is proving to be a serious concern now to an extent the markets are rapidly losing faith in Sony as a investment. 

I see. Thanks. I read the bolded bit to be "the cost of your borrowing" and assumed you made a typing error.

In other words I can have a bar of gold that is worth 10K but if I was in a desperate situation and potential buyers knew that I was in a desperate situation for cash they would offer and I would accept a lot less for it. Not quite a full analogy but that is almost the gist of it.



justinian said:
slowmo said:
justinian said:
Millenium said:
justinian said:

Aren't Sony's total assets about US$165bn? Regardless of the current state of their stock value.

152.77bn I believe, but I'll have to check to be sure.


So are these assets factor into the overall value of the company?

I just don't get how MS can make more profit in a year than Sony is worth. Is that just idiot talk or am I missing something

 

A company is only worth what someone will pay for their stock, you can have all the assests under the sun but if your assets barely cover the cost of your lending then your a substantial risk.  This risk is proving to be a serious concern now to an extent the markets are rapidly losing faith in Sony as a investment. 

I see. Thanks. I read the bolded bit to be "the cost of your borrowing" and assumed you made a typing error.

In other words I can have a bar of gold that is worth 10K but if I was in a desperate situation and potential buyers knew that I was in a desperate situation for cash they would offer and I would accept a lot less for it. Not quite a full analogy but that is almost the gist of it.


Good correction

That's pretty much my understanding, you become a greater risk if you don't have enough assets to clear the debt in event of foreclosure.  The more of a risk you are the more it costs you to borrow and of course a company under threat is worth less to a potential buyer/investor.  As such Sony will be looking to clear some of their debt, possibly through the sale of assets and cut costs to increase profitability. 

As part of a move to increase their profitability is likely they will also sell some of the worse performing portions of the company.  If these cuts they make or plan are strong enough to convince the market that Sony will become a stronger investment opportunity in the future then confidence will increase in the markets and their price will start to rise again.  Once the risk starts to decrease, their borrowing becomes cheaper and hence they can drive further growth through investment (possibly through aforementioned cheaper borrowing). 

It looks pretty gloomy at the moment as the thread suggests but really they just need good leadership, a strong agressive business strategy and most importantly a bit of luck (frankly the global recession and tsunami really hurt them).  I'd like to see Sony succeed as I admired the company and their brand in the 90's but they seemed to lose their way after that for me becoming a premium price product without the previous quality (purely my opinion based on some purchases I made).  I think a leaner more agressive Sony could have a bright future.



justinian said:
Millenium said:
justinian said:

Aren't Sony's total assets about US$165bn? Regardless of the current state of their stock value.

152.77bn I believe, but I'll have to check to be sure.


So are these assets factor into the overall value of the company?

I just don't get how MS can make more profit in a year than Sony is worth. Is that just idiot talk or am I missing something?

look at it this way:

There are different ways to measure how much a company is worth. The most common one is the market cap, which is the money you have to spend to buy all the shares of a company (theoretically speaking, because people have to sell them before, your buy-out would increase the price etc etc). And you need 14 bn USD for all the Sony shares. MS made 17 billion profit in the past 9 months. So yeah, actually MS could buy Sony just using the profits of the past 7 months.



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