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RolStoppable said:
logic56 said:

oh do explaing lo lI"m interested in the insight into this if there is any

As development costs go up, publishers tend to take fewer risks which leads to the money being spent on safe bets. This is why nowadays the majority of AAA games tend to have an M-rating, even though M-rated games on the whole only account for a small fraction of all games that are released. Aiming for an M-rating is considered the best option to achieve success.

The Wii kept development costs on par with sixth generation consoles, so the middle ground and therefore the variety of the PS2 era could have been maintained. But since third parties didn't want to make Wii games and the HD consoles posed a too large risk, the market looks like it does today. In the seventh generation, there is no console that offers the width and depth of the PS2 library.

excpet the ps3 library

smaller yeah becasue it sold less (for obvious reasons) but as far as depth of library goes I challenge you to find me ONE game in ANY genere that was on the ps2 that didn't show up on ps3 (this should be fun)

don't lump Sony in with MS

if this guy wanted his game on PS3 it would be on PS3 simple as that, MS would tell the to fuck off sure, but Sony would remove all online restictions needed to make it happen, I know this becasue they've done this....

MAG

Killzone 3

DC Universe Online

and now Dust 514

if you want middleware you want the ps3

now my guess is he didn't want to bother learning the PS3's arcitecture and MS....would tell them to fuck off, therefor, consoles R broken

 

oh and he probably couldn't put this on wii even if he wanted to the cost to downgrade would hardly make up the more than like bomb as that isn't the wii's market at all



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RolStoppable said:
logic56 said:

excpet the ps3 library

smaller yeah because it sold less (for obvious reasons) but as far as depth of library goes I challenge you to find me ONE game in ANY genere that was on the ps2 that didn't show up on ps3 (this should be fun)

don't lump Sony in with MS

if this guy wanted his game on PS3 it would be on PS3 simple as that, MS would tell the to fuck off sure, but Sony would remove all online restictions needed to make it happen, I know this becasue they've done this....

Shin Megami Tensei. It has countless variations, but not any of them made an appearance on the PS3.

ok I worded that wrong

I meant show me where the ps3 games library in lacking in depth compared to the ps2 and it has plenty of obscure Japanese rpgs missing this ONE games means nothing at all

remember "smaller yeah because it sold less"



RolStoppable said:
logic56 said:

excpet the ps3 library

smaller yeah becasue it sold less (for obvious reasons) but as far as depth of library goes I challenge you to find me ONE game in ANY genere that was on the ps2 that didn't show up on ps3 (this should be fun)

don't lump Sony in with MS

if this guy wanted his game on PS3 it would be on PS3 simple as that, MS would tell the to fuck off sure, but Sony would remove all online restictions needed to make it happen, I know this becasue they've done this....

Shin Megami Tensei. It has countless variations, but not any of them made an appearance on the PS3.

But the fighting game spin off will! 



RolStoppable said:
logic56 said:

oh do explaing lo lI"m interested in the insight into this if there is any

As development costs go up, publishers tend to take fewer risks which leads to the money being spent on safe bets. This is why nowadays the majority of AAA games tend to have an M-rating, even though M-rated games on the whole only account for a small fraction of all games that are released. Aiming for an M-rating is considered the best option to achieve success.

The Wii kept development costs on par with sixth generation consoles, so the middle ground and therefore the variety of the PS2 era could have been maintained. But since third parties didn't want to make Wii games and the HD consoles posed a too large risk, the market looks like it does today. In the seventh generation, there is no console that offers the width and depth of the PS2 library.

^.^

hmm "Aiming for an M-rating is considered the best option to achieve success." I wonder why? I do not know how to answer that :(



RolStoppable said:
logic56 said:
RolStoppable said:

Shin Megami Tensei. It has countless variations, but not any of them made an appearance on the PS3.

ok I worded that wrong

I meant show me where the ps3 games library in lacking in depth compared to the ps2 and it has plenty of obscure Japanese rpgs missing this ONE games means nothing at all

remember "smaller yeah because it sold less"

What a pitiful excuse. You wanted me to name one game and I gave you an entire brand.

Worse, now you make a contradictory statement. You insist that the PS3 library isn't lacking in depth compared to the PS2 and at the same time say that there are plenty of obscure JRPGs missing (and SMT isn't even that obscure). Games that have gone missing proves that the PS3 lacks in depth compared to the PS2.

lol dude plz FFS

I said before anything else "smaller because it sold less" now using simple logic (which escapes you ALL the time) doesn't that mean not EVERY game would have made it over, I mean I get it, you being who you are but seriously

and no if you have FPS represented on your console missing one FPS doesn't mean you lack FPS therefor you don't lack depth, every genre of gaming represented on the ps2 is also on the ps3 in form or another show me how that's not a fact

as far as variety and breath of genre's/experiences provided the ps3 and ps2 are near identical, this includes the AAA and AA style games

and to not get too off topic, this developer specifically is making is a free to play MMO FPS to which he says neither Sony or MS would support, despite the fact that Sony is releasing this very year a third party free to play MMO FPS... which would join the likes of Home, DCUO, and Free Realms as already supported Free to Play MMOs already released, so to say Sony wouldn't support this is just not true

now go ahead and deny it



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logic56 said:
RolStoppable said:
logic56 said:

oh do explaing lo lI"m interested in the insight into this if there is any

As development costs go up, publishers tend to take fewer risks which leads to the money being spent on safe bets. This is why nowadays the majority of AAA games tend to have an M-rating, even though M-rated games on the whole only account for a small fraction of all games that are released. Aiming for an M-rating is considered the best option to achieve success.

The Wii kept development costs on par with sixth generation consoles, so the middle ground and therefore the variety of the PS2 era could have been maintained. But since third parties didn't want to make Wii games and the HD consoles posed a too large risk, the market looks like it does today. In the seventh generation, there is no console that offers the width and depth of the PS2 library.

excpet the ps3 library

Monster Hunter (and PSP ports don't count here)



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

This guys ridiculous.



RolStoppable said:
logic56 said:

lol dude plz FFS

I said before anything else "smaller because it sold less" now using simple logic (which escapes you ALL the time) doesn't that mean not EVERY game would have made it over, I mean I get it, you being who you are but seriously

and no if you have FPS represented on your console missing one FPS doesn't mean you lack FPS therefor you don't lack depth, every genre of gaming represented on the ps2 is also on the ps3 in form or another show me how that's not a fact

as far as variety and breath of genre's/experiences provided the ps3 and ps2 are near identical, this includes the AAA and AA style games

and to not get too off topic, this developer specifically is making is a free to play MMO FPS to which he says neither Sony or MS would support, despite the fact that Sony is releasing this very year a third party free to play MMO FPS... which would join the likes of Home, DCUO, and Free Realms as already supported Free to Play MMOs already released, so to say Sony wouldn't support this is just not true

now go ahead and deny it

Go ahead and make a thread that asks JRPG fans to choose their favorite console between the PS2 and PS3.

you miss the point..... again........ watch it guys as it fly's smooth over his head

now here's my dilemma, do I waste my time saying it again only for him to miss is completely......again??? *deep breath*

ok one more time

"smaller because it sold less"

that means, it,  by default of selling less consoles, means less games would have been made and if less games were made the chance of not having every franchise is higher but because you don't understand, that's.... not.... the.... point....

the point is not that the ps3 has every single franchise that the ps2 had, it's that it has that genre covered in every form, from AAA to AA to A

this whole debate is that you can only make AAA and A games this gen and that's not TRUE especially for the PS3!!! your point is the the ps2 had AAA, AA, A games and the PS3 doesn't, but it does, plenty, just not as much as ps2, because it sold less, which just makes sense if your capable of accepting it.

so to put it simply: if the developer of that game/franchise you mentioned wants to put that game/franchise on the ps3 they could do it!!! your arguing circumstance, not the point the. Middleware market is still here an very much so supported, at least on Sony consoles...

I also like how you cherry pick, instead of responding to the whole post like the one regarding the developer in question



RolStoppable said:
logic56 said:

you miss the point..... again........ watch it guys as it fly's smooth over his head

now here's my dilemma, do I waste my time saying it again only for him to miss is completely......again??? *deep breath*

ok one more time

"smaller because it sold less"

that means, it,  by default of selling less consoles, means less games would have been made and if less games were made the chance of not having every franchise is higher but because you don't understand, that's.... not.... the.... point....

the point is not that the ps3 has every single franchise that the ps2 had, it's that it has that genre covered in every form, from AAA to AA to A

this whole debate is that you can only make AAA and A games this gen and that's not TRUE especially for the PS3!!! your point is the the ps2 had AAA, AA, A games and the PS3 doesn't, but it does, plenty, just not as much as ps2, because it sold less, which just makes sense if your capable of accepting it.

so to put it simply: if the developer of that game/franchise you mentioned wants to put that game/franchise on the ps3 they could do it!!! your arguing circumstance, not the point the. Middleware market is still here an very much so supported, at least on Sony consoles...

I also like how you cherry pick, instead of responding to the whole post like the one regarding the developer in question

You once again admitted that the PS3 does not have the same depth in its library as the PS2. You concede my point, but for some reason you are angry.

I never cared about this particular developer's game to begin with, I was only discussing the lost middle ground. I still have no interest to discuss this developer's game, hence why I ignored it whenever you brought it up and I will continue to do so.

and you just now admitted that you read whatever you want and ignore whatever you want, so therefore there is no reason debating with you, wish you would have said it sooner but whatever

and I'm out



Not only is this guy a fool, hes generalizing and wrong

disgaea 4 is not an indie title and its not an AAA budget game

so there is a middle ground