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happydolphin said:
Valdney said:
These people don't give a shit about your products, yet you're gonig to try to serve them first. How many more losses does this freaking company have take until they realise who their real customers are?

I think you'd be surprised how many playstation and xbox fans are ex-nintendo fans or Nintendo fans at heart. If Nintendo were to cater to them, this could be wrong, but I believe some would bite, some even give Nintendo some respect for reaching out.

THIS!!! I find it funny how Wii fans are now saying that Ninty shouldnt try to cater to the "hardcore", when these were some of the same people who were crying for years about this or that game not coming to WIi or why does the HD version crap all over the Wii version. And all of a sudden you dont care???  BS! Blame 3rd parties all you want, but the fact is they NEVER tried with WIi, the only time they actually did was with MH, where we see Sony and MS throwing money and BJs at those guys right and left, tripping over themselves to do so. and the end result, their consumers got and still receives games by the buttload.

As for core gamers will never play on a Ninty system?? BS I for and a few of my buddies would love to play on Ninty systems, they just have to HAVE games for me to play, I dont want just WiiSports and Just Dance, I want GTA, SF, Tekken, FPSs that dont suck. etc. GC had a much better library for what a "core" gamer would want to play



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famousringo said:
Mr Khan said:

Not really. Nintendo's in a solid position moving forward with the 3DS, and so long as they avoid taking a hit on Wii U hardware, they should do well enough on that front financially. Sony as a whole struggles, but the PS division is supposedly strong (and would likely be preserved or spun off in any major bankruptcy restructuring), and Microsoft as a whole is now in great position, and so long as they don't have another Xbox 1 or RRoD-type financial debacle, they too should be good going forward.

The issue is whether the industry as a whole is stagnating, but its clear that, for the moment, there is room for everyone.


A 30% price cut within the first year of launch is not a solid position for the 3DS. Nor is Nintendo taking its first quarterly loss in decades. It could be argued that Gamecube Nintendo was in a stronger position than the Nintendo of today. We can only guess about how good or bad the Wii U will perform, but it's in an even more competitive space than the 3DS and doesn't benefit as much from the confidence of past performance.

At least Nintendo can say they made a net profit this past generation. Is Playstation strong? Or is it just strong compared to Sony's other consumer electronics? A quote from Sony's latest financials:

"Categories contributing to the deterioration in operating results... include... the game business, reflecting higher marketing costs to promote network service platforms and lower sales of PlayStation®3 hardware due to a strategic price reduction."

The PS3 has seen sporadic bursts of minor profitability overshadowed by long stretches of enormous losses. And Vita sure doesn't look like it's going to save Sony's bacon in the gaming market.

As for MS, Entertainment and Devices is losing money again, and the finger is pointed at soft gaming sales. The Xbox 360 is in a similar position to Sony (alternating huge losses with smaller profits), the big difference being that Xbox's parent company still has lots of cash to burn on maintaining its strategic foothold in the living room.

Right now, the console market is like a casino. The house keeps winning, but the players interpret that to mean that a big jackpot is overdue, so they keep placing bets. It's not sustainable. They can't keep placing bets if they don't start winning some rounds.

I did say "moving forward" in regards to the 3DS, a movement towards breaking-even and a strengthening lineup with better all-demographic appeal, and so long as Nintendo keeps things on solid financial footing, the Wii U should be fine however it fares on sales levels.

I must stop listening to fanboys in regards to the financial results of the other two. I had assumed they were on strong footing from what was being said.



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noname2200 said:
amp316 said:
How about making games that appeal to the people that bought the Wii AND games that appeal to the core gamer? Why not go after both groups of people instead of abandoning the massive group that bought your last system? But what do I know? I'm just some 39 year loser that posts in a video game forum.

Unpossible.

Unfortunately I think that this is exactly how Nintendo looks at things.  They seem to concentrate on going after either the casual or the core and never both at the same time.  It's unfortunate since I think that if they try to go after JUST the core gamer like they did with the Gamecube that we know how that will probably wind up.  By the time that they do try to get the "expanded market" back, they will have gone on to something else.

Thankfully I am not a Nintendo stockholder.  If I were, I'd be worried about now.



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archbrix said:
amp316 said:

I actually agree that people didn't want to upgrade to a 3DS because of the stereoscopic 3D.  I argue that most people don't want to upgrade to the Wii U because of a super expensive super controller. 

The difference here is that unlike stereoscopic 3D, the controller is actually capable of enhancing/changing the gameplay experience itself.


This is true, but the system will only have one tablet controller included and we can only imagine how much another will cost.  The Wii was all about getting a group of people together playing and having fun.  With the Wii U, two people will be able to experience the awesomeness of the controller if you have a lot of money.



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spurgeonryan said:
amp316 said:
noname2200 said:
amp316 said:
How about making games that appeal to the people that bought the Wii AND games that appeal to the core gamer? Why not go after both groups of people instead of abandoning the massive group that bought your last system? But what do I know? I'm just some 39 year loser that posts in a video game forum.

Unpossible.

Unfortunately I think that this is exactly how Nintendo looks at things.  They seem to concentrate on going after either the casual or the core and never both at the same time.  It's unfortunate since I think that if they try to go after JUST the core gamer like they did with the Gamecube that we know how that will probably wind up.  By the time that they do try to get the "expanded market" back, they will have gone on to something else.

Thankfully I am not a Nintendo stockholder.  If I were, I'd be worried about now.


I am a Nintendo Stock Holder and I have been waiting to finally sell it for months now!


Mortimer and Randolph Duke would tell you to sell now.



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spurgeonryan said:
amp316 said:
noname2200 said:
amp316 said:
How about making games that appeal to the people that bought the Wii AND games that appeal to the core gamer? Why not go after both groups of people instead of abandoning the massive group that bought your last system? But what do I know? I'm just some 39 year loser that posts in a video game forum.

Unpossible.

Unfortunately I think that this is exactly how Nintendo looks at things.  They seem to concentrate on going after either the casual or the core and never both at the same time.  It's unfortunate since I think that if they try to go after JUST the core gamer like they did with the Gamecube that we know how that will probably wind up.  By the time that they do try to get the "expanded market" back, they will have gone on to something else.

Thankfully I am not a Nintendo stockholder.  If I were, I'd be worried about now.


I am a Nintendo Stock Holder and I have been waiting to finally sell it for months now!


You might as well hold your stock for now. Probably for the next few years. Selling now is simply not very smart investing (selling stocks when they're low unless the company is some kind of imminent danger of bankruptcy or something, which Nintendo obviously is not). There's a reason why they say "sell high, buy low", not the reverse, lol.



amp316 said:
noname2200 said:
amp316 said:
How about making games that appeal to the people that bought the Wii AND games that appeal to the core gamer? Why not go after both groups of people instead of abandoning the massive group that bought your last system? But what do I know? I'm just some 39 year loser that posts in a video game forum.

Unpossible.

Unfortunately I think that this is exactly how Nintendo looks at things.  They seem to concentrate on going after either the casual or the core and never both at the same time.  It's unfortunate since I think that if they try to go after JUST the core gamer like they did with the Gamecube that we know how that will probably wind up.  By the time that they do try to get the "expanded market" back, they will have gone on to something else.

Thankfully I am not a Nintendo stockholder.  If I were, I'd be worried about now.


Seems to me with Wii U they are trying to go after both. Wii U is hardly a "strictly core gamer only" console. If Nintendo was interested in that, it wouldn't be called Wii period and Iwata still reiterated in the same financial report that they are developing something they hope to be the equivlanet of Wii Sports for the machine. Not to mention it's getting a New Super Mario Bros. game. And who are we kidding it's going to have games like Just Dance and a new Wii Fit at some point too.

Nintendo just is just going to make sure they have enough core content upfront though.

Just for the record too ... I think the GameCube probably would've done pretty well had it come out a year ahead of the other two consoles and Nintendo didn't make the blunder of making the primary console color purple (way too Fisher Price). They also totally mismanaged Mario and Zelda that generation ... SMS was not the Mario game people wanted, cell-shaded Link really wasn't what the mass market wanted either.

I think they should've seen the end of the N64 era coming a little sooner and moved Perfect Dark (this barely ran on the N64 anyway) + Conker's BFD + Zelda: Majora's Mask to the GameCube and launched in 2000, rather than waiting for 2001 to roll around.



amp316 said:
archbrix said:
amp316 said:

I actually agree that people didn't want to upgrade to a 3DS because of the stereoscopic 3D.  I argue that most people don't want to upgrade to the Wii U because of a super expensive super controller. 

The difference here is that unlike stereoscopic 3D, the controller is actually capable of enhancing/changing the gameplay experience itself.


This is true, but the system will only have one tablet controller included and we can only imagine how much another will cost.  The Wii was all about getting a group of people together playing and having fun.  With the Wii U, two people will be able to experience the awesomeness of the controller if you have a lot of money.

It even looks like we're only getting 1 padlet for certain graphics intensive games.

But even then, the thing about the WiiU is that you'll be able to hook up 4 wii-chucks and 1 upadlet, that's 5 controllers in total on a system, with the possibility of a 2nd padlet on graphics-loose games, so a total of 6 controllers. You can also pass the padlet around during a play session giving everyone a chance to try the unique experience, as well as the traditional one. It really meshes well with the deeper and wider vision of the system, even from a physical, controller layout standpoint.



Why is this a complaint? You only get one Xbox controller, one PS3 controller, One Dreamcast controller.

Most systems only come with one controller. When did that suddenly become a major issue.