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@Mazty

where are you getting this magical COD sells significantly more than Halo number from. It typically sells about 2 million or so more on the 360 than Halo.

Once your over 10 million in sales a 2 million difference is not significant. When you track digital Halo sales for Reach its certainly over 11 million due to every holiday bundle in NA during last Christmas coming with one not to mention the people who just reguraly bought it, while MW3 is at 13 million.

You are arguing cemantics because you think you can't be proven wrong even though you know your wrong. And believe me every person whose readin this thread regardless of which console they prefer knows your wrong as well.



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In fact I just did the math and compared release dates and the COD franchise on the 360 has sold roughly 59.1 million copies across 7 mainline releases this generation. That averages to about 8.44 million per release.

Halo has sold 30.6 million copies across 5 games this generation averaging sales at 6.12 million units per title. Three of those releases are spinoffs with only 2 mainline Halo games this generation and it still sells on average around 2 million less that all the MAINLINE COD's. When you count the Reach bundled sales its actually much closer but we can't track that so we'll leave it out of the equation.

So again where you get COD signifciantly outsells Halo titles I don't know. Sure across multiple platforms it does but on the 360 not really, especially when you compare the sales of a mainline Halo, such as Halo 3 and Halo Reach to a mainline COD.



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Barozi said:
Mazty said:
Barozi said:
Mazty said:


That's not the whole story though. Unlike other games, MS will have to encure all the overheads for the development of Halo games, unlike CoD. So whereas other games may just make them royalties, there is no expense for MS. 

Plus, you have just shown why MS should make Halo multiplatform; they may make more revenue that way, and that's in their best interest. However this is all some bizarre digression. My point initially was that the 360 hasn't been some AAA success that someone was claiming it was, nothing more, nothing less. 

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=halo&publisher=&platform=X360&genre=&minSales=0&results=200
Over 30m now. Likely 40m at the end of the gen.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2010/02/anatomy-of-a-60-dollar-video-game.html
You don't have to be a genius to see that Halo makes MS more money than COD.


What would be the point if every game was on every platform ? Answer: there wouldn't be any consoles. But Microsoft and especially Nintendo don't want that since their consoles are printing money for them.


But it depends on figures. 1:1 yes, Halo makes more, but if CoD sells significantly more then Halo, which it has, MS may make more money from CoD.

As I said to another user, a console doesn't just have game to sell, but technology. The Wii sold on it's controls, and the PS3 helped Sony enshrine the next optical media format.

lol but twice as much sales are still not enough for CoD. Even with development costs and marketing included for Halo. Do the math.

Depends how much Halo sells though. Considering the weaker sales of the later titles, it's not so far fetched to see royalties of one title return a greater profit then an exclusive. 
As far as calling the 360 a success because of Halo, that seems rather ludicrous. Every console has exclusives, and until someone can show how many Xbox's Halo directly help sell, it's a redudant point.



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BenVTrigger said:
@Mazty

where are you getting this magical COD sells significantly more than Halo number from. It typically sells about 2 million or so more on the 360 than Halo.

Once your over 10 million in sales a 2 million difference is not significant. When you track digital Halo sales for Reach its certainly over 11 million due to every holiday bundle in NA during last Christmas coming with one not to mention the people who just reguraly bought it, while MW3 is at 13 million.

You are arguing cemantics because you think you can't be proven wrong even though you know your wrong. And believe me every person whose readin this thread regardless of which console they prefer knows your wrong as well.


ODST sold 6 million. Black Ops and MW3 sold over 13 million each on the 360. The CoD franchise looks like it will actually make more money for MS then ODST will do by the end of the consoles life and will slowly eat into the other games. 
Also don't forget that no Halo game has sold close to Halo 3 this generation, whereas the CoD games are increasing in sales with each release.

I'm arguing math; you are just ranting. 



BenVTrigger said:
In fact I just did the math and compared release dates and the COD franchise on the 360 has sold roughly 59.1 million copies across 7 mainline releases this generation. That averages to about 8.44 million per release.

Halo has sold 30.6 million copies across 5 games this generation averaging sales at 6.12 million units per title. Three of those releases are spinoffs with only 2 mainline Halo games this generation and it still sells on average around 2 million less that all the MAINLINE COD's. When you count the Reach bundled sales its actually much closer but we can't track that so we'll leave it out of the equation.

So again where you get COD signifciantly outsells Halo titles I don't know. Sure across multiple platforms it does but on the 360 not really, especially when you compare the sales of a mainline Halo, such as Halo 3 and Halo Reach to a mainline COD.

I think he means significantly because CoD comes out every year. So atm Halo on 360 is at 30m, CoD on 360 is at 60m. That's double of what Halo has.
However platform royalties is about $7 and that's all what MS gets per CoD game (assuming all were sold at full price). MS gets $34 (publisher + royalties) for every Halo game sold. That's almost 5 times as much.
subtract dev costs and marketing and MS still makes a bigger profit with Halo.



These 1.4 million consoles is true??? so undertracked here ~500k.

And overshipped confirmed.



Barozi said:
BenVTrigger said:
In fact I just did the math and compared release dates and the COD franchise on the 360 has sold roughly 59.1 million copies across 7 mainline releases this generation. That averages to about 8.44 million per release.

Halo has sold 30.6 million copies across 5 games this generation averaging sales at 6.12 million units per title. Three of those releases are spinoffs with only 2 mainline Halo games this generation and it still sells on average around 2 million less that all the MAINLINE COD's. When you count the Reach bundled sales its actually much closer but we can't track that so we'll leave it out of the equation.

So again where you get COD signifciantly outsells Halo titles I don't know. Sure across multiple platforms it does but on the 360 not really, especially when you compare the sales of a mainline Halo, such as Halo 3 and Halo Reach to a mainline COD.

I think he means significantly because CoD comes out every year. So atm Halo on 360 is at 30m, CoD on 360 is at 60m. That's double of what Halo has.
However platform royalties is about $7 and that's all what MS gets per CoD game (assuming all were sold at full price). MS gets $34 (publisher + royalties) for every Halo game sold. That's almost 5 times as much.
subtract dev costs and marketing and MS still makes a bigger profit with Halo.

You seem to forget that exclusives, due to their smaller audience, see a drop in retail price far quicker then franchise multiplatforms like CoD. Currently MW2 is more expensive then any of the Halo titles, and obviously the cheapest of the 3 titles (MW2, BO, MW3).



@ Mazty

Ranting? I'm not even mad I really don't care if Halo sells 50 copies or 100 bazillion copies the only reason I'm arguing with you is because your wrong, otherwise I could care less.

People who parade around with an agenda are boring especially when they are simply arguing cirles like you are just to try to stay in the conversation. Whats ironic is you keep telling people to state numbers and facts to back up what they are saying. Me and Barozi have both done so. Posted exact sales, how much MS gains in cash from both, etc. And yet you yourself have yet to post a single statistical fact.

So please good sir, explain to us with detailed numbers and math how COD gains MS more money than Halo.