I've never said PS4 would launch in any other time but end of 2013 and I've mostly said neXtBox in 2013 as well. When I made the bet with Jay, I said late 2012 was a possibility which is why I made the bet, not a definite guranteed prediction. I've always maintained they'd all be out by end of 2013 and my sig hasn't changed in ... well I don't remember when I last updated it. Its been since at least last E3. So I don't know where you get the whole moving the goal posts idea from.

I have maintained that this E3 MSony will show their next systems and that I am still sure of, however, I am still holding on that I have a slim chance of winning my bet with Jay. E3 will be the decider on that. But I always knew at best that was a 60/40 way back when it was made in like November I think based on rumors.

Don't worry, I'll save a special place for you in my post E3 I was right thread. ;)

I agree with Super Chunk though I am not as certain as I was a few months back that Nextbox will launch winter 2012. However I have interesting evidence that suggests it still might. Including my EBGames manager saying they were given a heads up that boxes of promotional material from Microsoft will arrive and are not allowed to be opened till the day of E3' Microsoft conference. I asked if it was possible that it was Halo4 and he said that the last time they received such a large amount of promotional material it was the Slims launch. He said considering the material coincides with E3 he was certain some kind of hardware is going to be unveiled.

You also have Sony making outlandish statements they are on track to beat Microsoft to the market. However Sony has barely any studios working on PS4. Most of Sony's internal studios are hard at work on PS3 games.

Microsoft and Sony both stated that their consoles will not be released any later then one year after the competition. Now some say "Well Nintendo isn't a competitor" if you say that you need to go back to school or put a helmet on. Because Nintendo is most definitely a competitor and Sony and Microsoft are not ill educated him rods they are aware Nintendo poses a threat. Neither competitor will launch any later then winter 2013.

Another factor. I believe it was Epic who just recently said with or without Microsoft and Sony showing their new hardware Epic is going to show their next generation games for that hardware. Now I assume Epic is working with Microsoft. Neither Sony nor Microsoft will allow a third party to show software for their console and unveil games and features before Microsoft or Sony unveil. Also since Epic has stated it is working knowledge next generation software some of which could launch in 2013, the hardware is going to have to be announced at E3 in one way or another. CryTek has also been hinting it will be showing off its new engine in a next generation game. Simply put developers are already saying next generation content will be at E3 with or without Microsoft and Sony. Which would make it suicide for either company not to at least mention the hardware.

Then we have the closed meeting. These meetings are often leaked and rarely occur in a massive venue with tons of developers till launch year or the year prior. Your not going to have a closed meet at a major venue three years before the hardware comes. Even two years is pushing it, Nintendo did but that was with WiiU for Wii a big event like that didn't occur till launch year at least from what we have heard. At TGS when Nintendo showed the Wiimote developers were thrown off.

Their are so many factors including economic ones etc..etc.. that make a 2012 release of NextBox very smart. Oh I forgot the biggest part Nintendo and Microsoft both began their next generation development in 2008. Microsoft did officially while Nintendo claimed their employees were working on Wii titles that apparently have been bumped like Pikmin 3. While Sony didn't publicly begin development till last year late. In fact most studios have leaked having NextBox kits but few have claimed to have Sony kits. So don't expect Sony to launch this winter. But Sony will show something I am positive and Microsoft if they don't show anything they will announce it.

All the public denials mean squat. Their are far less reasons to launch in 2013. A 2014 launch would be DOA!

I'd love to see where you got that one from

lol

'in 9 years...."

"when the ps3 gets below 200 dollars it would sell like the ps2"

clinging to a personal P.R. statement......made in 2008, that's just bloody sad

hey-hey did you hear, Jack Trenton would have liked the Vita to sell 500k in 3 weeks in the U.S. guess the console a failure then huh lol

I'm pretty sure if you asked the CEO of Ferrari would he like to sell as many cars as Toyota he would probaly say yes lmao

it's a personal achievement, "I want to try to see" is the key part, becasue who wouldn't, you and I would have said the exact same thing? that doesn't detract from the realistic expectations the company had and to say it is is just silly, really silly, much like saying Ferrari is a failure becasue the CEO said he would have "liked" their cars to sell as much as Toyotas, but then again logic escapes most people, especially when they have a chip on thier shoulder...

oh and last time I checked PS3 hasn't been out for 9 years, and hasn't reahed 200 dollars yet , Sony drops that price, phase out the PS2 for PS3 in emerging markets and considering how much longer the ps3 lasted in it's traditional lifespan it could last even longer in it's twilight years, there's nothing to say the PS3 can't get there, I imagine a 99 dollar PS3 would go on for a really long time

hehe, cheap shot!

*throws bone*

over a very long time at a price it hasn't reached yet...

simple logic, it's not that hard, wait forget that, because it implies that he implied the above, he didn't he flat out said it soooo reading comprehension is not that hard

150 million consoles.... maybe, 150 million console in 6 years not a chance in hell they expected that

and Kutaragi's PS3 and the PS3 we actually got, where two drastically different beast

what they expected was the hardware investment to pay off in the future, that's something Kutaragi and Sony talked about WAY more than the console selling 150 million units. Something I've seen a lot but it never makes any sense,and  you've heard this a lot "Sony can't AFFORD another PS3", My question is, why would they have to? why would they HAVE to spend the millions in RnD on Blu-Ray when because of the PS3 it's the dominate HD platform? why would they HAVE to spend the MILLIONS on the Cell processor when because of the PS3 has more than proven it's worth and is incredibly cheap to make now? EVERYTHING that made the PS3 such a cash black hole, TODAY would allow the PS4 to still be powerful yet cheap and affordable.

PS3 laid the road work not just for itself but for future consoles as well, that's a fact many people either forget, or flat out ignore.

anyway this is getting off topic, which I agree with BTW

"selling 80 million units and ensuring blurays successmeans it's job is done"

PS3 is only going to sell 80 million units lol ok then

and of cosue you won't comment on the rest your not as clueless as others there's reason in you I know that