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Chark said:
Kynes said:
Chark said:
the_dengle said:
Hatsune Miku week coming up, is everyone ready for the 2012 prediction # to jump all the way back up to 5 mil?


If the Vita sells close to 60k that week than yes it will.

EDIT: looking at the 47k sold in Japan with the typical 20k sold elsewhere next week will have 5.3 millon. Makes me want to write a thread called "PS Vita is a MAJOR sucess - We need to talk about it" and laugh in Man Bear Pig's face Bwahahahah.

The numbers still need to go up, so if you read this buy a Vita. NO BACKSIES. You read it!


Don't forget the 350k to 400k that the Vita is overtracked by this site numbers


Actually its only 200k overtracked, of course the 2.2 million should be shipped numbers.....

The 2.2 million announcement was for June 30th. The overtracking is most likely contained in April, May, and June because they said 400k were sold then but VGChartz has it at 733k which would mean a little bit of undertracking on the other months. It does need some strong adjustments, but according to VGChartz June 30th the Vita had 2.4 million, so it is only 200k overtracked without taking into account possible overtracking/undertracking that has occured in July and August.

2.4 sold to customers VS 2.2 shipped. It can't only be 200k overtracked, it would mean no consoles on shelves/distribution channel.



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Chark said:
TWRoO said:
Chark said:
the_dengle said:
Hatsune Miku week coming up, is everyone ready for the 2012 prediction # to jump all the way back up to 5 mil?


If the Vita sells close to 60k that week than yes it will.

EDIT: looking at the 47k sold in Japan with the typical 20k sold elsewhere next week will have 5.3 millon. Makes me want to write a thread called "PS Vita is a MAJOR sucess - We need to talk about it" and laugh in Man Bear Pig's face Bwahahahah.

The numbers still need to go up, so if you read this buy a Vita. NO BACKSIES. You read it!

From how I understand your calculations... the predicted sales are derived purely from the last week of Vita sales (and then comparing to last years other platform sales). This means any bumps in sales due to games or promotions outside of the normal calendar increases (Black Friday and Christmas) are actually throwing the prediction off course.

What would be better at getting an end of year total prediction is to use a larger sales period (at least a month, but maybe go bi-monthly or quarter)... It wouldn't be as good at showing the weekly trends, but just for the end of 2012 total it would even it out a little (and wouldn't require updating as much).

That would save the fluctuations unless a month received a crazy boost but a month of good sales might be an indication of an increase of Vita's bottom line sales which are what the chart truly predicts. One obscure week does throw it off and with such low sales right now it is a poor predictor of what sales will be like for Black Friday and beyond, which averages 137k a number the Vita should easily go over during those weeks. Judging Vita's sales using this slow period is the reason why it looks so bleak. Holiday sales will be holiday sales and I don't believe they are measurable by a trending percentage increase, especially since the percentages I am using are based off of consoles that were performing well before the holidays. This month and the next will change the Vita's average sales, I expect its sales to start picking up from here with the new software releases, the kicking in of PSone classics, PS plus integration, and PS Mobile launch. Maybe we will be surprised the week after Hitsume Miku, maybe Vita sales in Japan won't drop straight back down like they did when Persona 4 the Golden launched.

@ the bolded... exactly, an unusual increase in monthly sales can be indicative of future increased sales, but an unusual increase in weekly sales due to a single game release is far more likely to be a temporary (1-3 week) boost, which therefore throws the prediction off too much.

Weeks of low sales however are not unusual occurences that are unlikely to affect future sales, the only times when there can be anomalous low sales weeks are if a new model/price cut is announced to be happening in a few weeks, so people are put off buying until then (this is generally why price cuts are anounced right before they happen)

Your calculations for each future week are found by comparing the average 2011 week to Vita's latest 2012 week correct? (so for example if Vita sells 35k, while  52 weeks ago 5 platforms sold 500k (average 100k each), that would mean Vita sold 35% of last years average... then you look at 51 weeks ago and see the 5 consoles sold an average of 110k, so the prediction for next weeks Vita sales would be 35% of 110k) The current low Vita sales are not anomalous for any reason otherwise it wouldn't keep selling similarly week after week... which means they are actually quite good for predicting future sales assuming no changes to the platform (price cut/new model/system seller [usually exclusive] game)

You may be correct that the Vita sells over 157k for Black Friday week, but if it does it won't be because the last weeks 33k is a bad indicator of future sales (my bet is Sony & retailers will be really pushing Vita then with promotions and big discounts because it's a hard sell now, that and Black Friday does seem to be becomeing an increasingly important week each year, so I would probably expect an extra 5-10% on top of whatever you get from last years average anyway)

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I just did a quick comparison using monthly sales.

In August PSV sold 142,581 (I believe VGC follows the NPD standard of 4,4,5 weeks for the quarters, so w/e 1st September should be included in September)
Last year 6 platforms sold 3,703,740, which is an average of 617,290. So Vita sold about 23.1% of the average for August
If I extrapolate that 23% to the rest of the year the Vita should sell another 1.4 million and end the year with a LTD of 4,126,024

That's the same calculation as you have used except using months instead of weeks... it helps iron out any anomalous weeks.

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Alternately you could continue using weeks but use a rolling average found from the past few weeks... which means you can still predict the future sales in weekly increments. So you still get the nice curve upwards through November and December, with the tooth of Black Friday in it, but it still irons out any of Vitas anomalous weeks. (It won't help iron out any anomalous weeks the other platforms had in 2011, but the fact you are doing an average of multiple platforms should be helping that already)



TWRoO said:

From how I understand your calculations... the predicted sales are derived purely from the last week of Vita sales (and then comparing to last years other platform sales). This means any bumps in sales due to games or promotions outside of the normal calendar increases (Black Friday and Christmas) are actually throwing the prediction off course.

What would be better at getting an end of year total prediction is to use a larger sales period (at least a month, but maybe go bi-monthly or quarter)... It wouldn't be as good at showing the weekly trends, but just for the end of 2012 total it would even it out a little (and wouldn't require updating as much).

I've run a few numbers of my own, essentially calculating the average ratio of hardware sales up to this point to total yearly hardware sales (we're about 47% of the way through the year). That should be a bit more accurate, but it's likely skewed by the fact that the Vita launched this year in the West. Still, it currently shows Vita selling just under 4.8 mil for the whole year, but it's been consistently dropping every week since I think the Persona release.



the_dengle said:
TWRoO said:

From how I understand your calculations... the predicted sales are derived purely from the last week of Vita sales (and then comparing to last years other platform sales). This means any bumps in sales due to games or promotions outside of the normal calendar increases (Black Friday and Christmas) are actually throwing the prediction off course.

What would be better at getting an end of year total prediction is to use a larger sales period (at least a month, but maybe go bi-monthly or quarter)... It wouldn't be as good at showing the weekly trends, but just for the end of 2012 total it would even it out a little (and wouldn't require updating as much).

I've run a few numbers of my own, essentially calculating the average ratio of hardware sales up to this point to total yearly hardware sales (we're about 47% of the way through the year). That should be a bit more accurate, but it's likely skewed by the fact that the Vita launched this year in the West. Still, it currently shows Vita selling just under 4.8 mil for the whole year, but it's been consistently dropping every week since I think the Persona release.

Yes the midway sales point of the year is usually mid September... Unless there is a price cut or something else special though, the Western launch is going to skew that.

Another workable estimation is to  estimate November being double October sales, and December being double November. (usually slightly over double). Obviously we haven't got October sales to use yet, but they are usually a slight drop from September (actually more sales per week, but September is a 5 week month)

So based on the August sales September would probably be around 5*35k = 175k... then 4*40k for October = 160k... then 2.2*160k = 352k... and 2.2*352k = 774k
That only gives a total of 1,461k though, for an end of year total at 4.186 million
Hmm, surprisingly similar to my previous calculation based on Vita monthly sales.

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I do believe the Vita will ultimately surpass these kinds of calculations mostly because it's a new system and it's first holiday season in the West (and it didn't spend much time in the holiday season in Japan last year either) but unless something changes soon it will struggle to make it to 5 million this year.



TWRoO said:

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Alternately you could continue using weeks but use a rolling average found from the past few weeks... which means you can still predict the future sales in weekly increments. So you still get the nice curve upwards through November and December, with the tooth of Black Friday in it, but it still irons out any of Vitas anomalous weeks. (It won't help iron out any anomalous weeks the other platforms had in 2011, but the fact you are doing an average of multiple platforms should be helping that already)

 

 


I could switch to months but the damage has been done already, besides the massive fluctuations keep this thread lively. Just wait till it shoots up and all the crow will be served to the other camp.



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Chark said:

TWRoO said:

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Alternately you could continue using weeks but use a rolling average found from the past few weeks... which means you can still predict the future sales in weekly increments. So you still get the nice curve upwards through November and December, with the tooth of Black Friday in it, but it still irons out any of Vitas anomalous weeks. (It won't help iron out any anomalous weeks the other platforms had in 2011, but the fact you are doing an average of multiple platforms should be helping that already)


I could switch to months but the damage has been done already, besides the massive fluctuations keep this thread lively. Just wait till it shoots up and all the crow will be served to the other camp.

Well switching to using an average across a number of weeks is simple enough.

I mean your formula now is probably something like this:

[week n] = ( [week n-1] / [average of week n-53] * 100 ) / 100 * [average of week n-52]

The bit between the rounded brackets is what works out the percentage Vita is selling compared to the 2011 average... as long as the "week n-1" period corresponds with the "week n-53" period it can be any length you want. I think a period of 1-3 months is best because it doesn't get skewed too much by anomalous weeks but also doesn't go too far back in time including possibly irrelevant data (particularly in the Vita's case as going back more than 6 months would include launch sales)

And regarding crow eating, if the prediction graph shoots up because of an anomalous week, it's only going to come down again in the following week or two.
Looking at next weeks sales for example with Japan at ~50k and the usual 20k in the West: Assuming I am still correctly interpreting your formula your graph is going to be predicting the Vita to more than double the current prediction for the rest of the year, bringing the end of year total to around 5.5 million. Then if past trends in Japan are anything to go by, the following week Vita will be sub 30k in Japan, then sub 15k again the week after and your graph will be showing an end of year about 4.1 or 4.2 million again. (at least assuming there aren't any other special bundles in Japan I am unaware of)



Updated to September 1st


 5,950,055 Vitas sold by end of 2012! 


Vita Weekly Predicted Sales 12/22/2011 - 12/31/2012

 

Vita Lifetime Predicted Sales 12/22/2011 - 12/31/2012

LT 2012 2012 LT FY 2012 FY 2012
5,950,055 5,468,482 7,037,974 5,365,882


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Huge boost in sales mostly thanks to Japan. Hitsume Miku: Project Diva F sold 158k units including sales in a Vita bundle, helping push 49,588 consoles. Numbers are also up in Europe and North America, thanks to the release of Madden 13 also available in bundles. Madden 13 sold 25,264 units of software in NA with 13,865 Vitas sold. Europe sold 13,306 with no Vita software titles in the top 10.

In total Vita sales skyrocketed up 143% from last week.



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Dat Vita is saved!

Let's see how long the boost lasts...



 

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Chark said:

 

Updated to September 1st

5,950,055 Vitas sold by end of 2012! 

Vita Weekly Predicted Sales 12/22/2011 - 12/31/2012

Your graph seems to show ther being 2 more weeks of Vita data than we have at the moment (the red line indicates sales weeks already passed yes?)