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M.U.G.E.N on 12 April 2012
mike_intellivision said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Wait I don't understand what these analysts and arm chair analysts wanted out of this presentation...did anyone actually expect him to give out the details on ALL the steps that he is going to make at this time? Right after the 10k job cut? LOL people must think this man is an idiot or something to do that. I think the fact that some drastic measures have been taken already and also the fact that he is practically saying such cuts/changes will continue is good enough. Kaz himself is taking over the tv division which instills confidence in the shareholders which combined with the above factors increased their stock value. It's not rocket science.

The tv division needs some major changes and sony does need to come up with things to wow others, even if they are considered as gimicks by some. It will help them improve their brand image. sounds like Kaz understands this too. Best of luck to him


If you start researching Sony's plight, its problems even pre-date when the company put a TV news producer in charge (Howard Stringer won nine Emmys at CBS).

But just remember, Kaz thought the PS3 would keep the PS2's marketshare, despite its price, six years ago. So hopefully, he can see more clearly the realities  of the world now.

 

Mike from Morgantown

the two things you mentioned have absolutely not relevance to my statement :S not sure what your point is

stringer was a bad choice in hindsight for sure

it's called PR. Surely you're not clueless about this. All companies do this, ms, ninty, apple etc. Sony is no different. I think you need a reality check on what people do in different roles

MUGEN from PDX (btw why do you keep saying this mike from morgantown bit? 0_o is that like a signature of something?)



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Mummelmann on 12 April 2012

As much as I love Bravia TV's; their TV division is not going very well at all and they simply can't compete with the Korean giants.
This is a serious blow to Sony, I sincerely hope they'll recover, I've owned so many great products up over the years that I've been so pleased with, would be a shame to see them cut down to the bone and left nearly barren.



Deoz on 12 April 2012
M.U.G.E.N said:
Deoz said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Wait I don't understand what these analysts and arm chair analysts wanted out of this presentation...did anyone actually expect him to give out the details on ALL the steps that he is going to make at this time? Right after the 10k job cut? LOL people must think this man is an idiot or something to do that. I think the fact that some drastic measures have been taken already and also the fact that he is practically saying such cuts/changes will continue is good enough. Kaz himself is taking over the tv division which instills confidence in the shareholders which combined with the above factors increased their stock value. It's not rocket science.

The tv division needs some major changes and sony does need to come up with things to wow others, even if they are considered as gimicks by some. It will help them improve their brand image. sounds like Kaz understands this too. Best of luck to him

Well you cant expect the to be optimistic if you only tell them what you are going to do buy not exactly how.

Anyway i dont see them turning around things so fast because "But back then Samsung and Apple were not as powerful as they are today,", their competition just got better in almost all their important branches.

In gaming i expect annoucements for vita on e3,but i doubt they will "wow" me. Im open to surpises tough.


If analysts actually expected him to detail out any on going negotiations and even any other cutbacks and such on the back of some major layoffs, they are being idiots. That's not a smart way to do business. Information on the new steps taken will come with time for sure. We already saw the restructuring of the mobile division (which I think is still going on), closing of zipper interactive, 10k lay off and even smaller steps like stopping Qore. I do not expect people to be optimisitc at all and that was not my intention in typing my previous response. People just, like in all things in life, should have realistic expectations. Kaz was never gonna come out and give a magical plan of financial recovery. But he at least seem to know things need to be done and the fact he is taking over the tv division is a sign of encouragement for the investors.

And the realistic expectations they are having is that they wont be able to turnaround so quickly. I cant blame them, situation right now doesnt really leave a lot of optimism for Sony's future. So they are justified to belive what they want if Sony isnt giving them a straight answer, you are right its not wise to tell your plans in advance, but dont expect people to trust you for that.



Aj_habfan on 12 April 2012

Yaay gaming is safe!



M.U.G.E.N on 12 April 2012
Deoz said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Deoz said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Wait I don't understand what these analysts and arm chair analysts wanted out of this presentation...did anyone actually expect him to give out the details on ALL the steps that he is going to make at this time? Right after the 10k job cut? LOL people must think this man is an idiot or something to do that. I think the fact that some drastic measures have been taken already and also the fact that he is practically saying such cuts/changes will continue is good enough. Kaz himself is taking over the tv division which instills confidence in the shareholders which combined with the above factors increased their stock value. It's not rocket science.

The tv division needs some major changes and sony does need to come up with things to wow others, even if they are considered as gimicks by some. It will help them improve their brand image. sounds like Kaz understands this too. Best of luck to him

Well you cant expect the to be optimistic if you only tell them what you are going to do buy not exactly how.

Anyway i dont see them turning around things so fast because "But back then Samsung and Apple were not as powerful as they are today,", their competition just got better in almost all their important branches.

In gaming i expect annoucements for vita on e3,but i doubt they will "wow" me. Im open to surpises tough.


If analysts actually expected him to detail out any on going negotiations and even any other cutbacks and such on the back of some major layoffs, they are being idiots. That's not a smart way to do business. Information on the new steps taken will come with time for sure. We already saw the restructuring of the mobile division (which I think is still going on), closing of zipper interactive, 10k lay off and even smaller steps like stopping Qore. I do not expect people to be optimisitc at all and that was not my intention in typing my previous response. People just, like in all things in life, should have realistic expectations. Kaz was never gonna come out and give a magical plan of financial recovery. But he at least seem to know things need to be done and the fact he is taking over the tv division is a sign of encouragement for the investors.

And the realistic expectations they are having is that they wont be able to turnaround so quickly. I cant blame them, situation right now doesnt really leave a lot of optimism for Sony's future. So they are justified to belive what they want if Sony isnt giving them a straight answer, you are right its not wise to tell your plans in advance, but dont expect people to trust you for that.

I'm not saying the analysts should put their trust on Kaz, especially since he is still new to the position. I don't expect sony to see a quick turnaround either. It's gonna be a long process with a real tough task ahead of them, but it's definitely a manageable task. They need some positive cashflow and to do so need some major restructuring in most of their divisions and also new ventures. I hope they nail PS Suit cuz I think that could be a small but positive impact for their business. I hope they do succeed as I enjoy their products.



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drkohler on 12 April 2012
M.U.G.E.N said:

I'm not knowledgable about the efficiency in not cutting jobs in JP tbh. But it may be impacted by political pressure in JP as well. I do agree about the steps you mentions as that is exactly what I think will happen as well. Well maybe not the tv business, maybe some new partnerships to cut costs but I do not think a big venture of few companies combined will happen any time soon.

That is unless of course such discussions are well underway now.

It's not a question of efficiency, it is a legal question (at least for foreign companies). Many years ago, an airline company extended their flight schedule to Japan and needed to hire Japanese ground personnel. When it turned out to be unproftable they decided to kill the leg into Japan and fire the ground personnel. No way, they were legally bound to keep them on job until retiring age. (I don't know if or how they got out of the dilemma in the end).

Talks have indeed been going on about forming a Japanese TV group incorporating the major TV producers. Industry rumours say that one of the involved companies (not Sony) is currently unwilling to sign the deal.



M.U.G.E.N on 12 April 2012
drkohler said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

I'm not knowledgable about the efficiency in not cutting jobs in JP tbh. But it may be impacted by political pressure in JP as well. I do agree about the steps you mentions as that is exactly what I think will happen as well. Well maybe not the tv business, maybe some new partnerships to cut costs but I do not think a big venture of few companies combined will happen any time soon.

That is unless of course such discussions are well underway now.

It's not a question of efficiency, it is a legal question (at least for foreign companies). Many years ago, an airline company extended their flight schedule to Japan and needed to hire Japanese ground personnel. When it turned out to be unproftable they decided to kill the leg into Japan and fire the ground personnel. No way, they were legally bound to keep them on job until retiring age. (I don't know if or how they got out of the dilemma in the end).

Talks have indeed been going on about forming a Japanese TV group incorporating the major TV producers. Industry rumours say that one of the involved companies (not Sony) is currently unwilling to sign the deal.

oooh thanks for that info. I didn't know that bit about the legality of things. Very interesting. It can't be easy on investors in the country with laws like that.

Haven't heard of these rumors. I wonder if it's a smart thing to do. But then again given the current situation, it can't get any worse.



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mike_intellivision on 12 April 2012
M.U.G.E.N said:
mike_intellivision said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Wait I don't understand what these analysts and arm chair analysts wanted out of this presentation...did anyone actually expect him to give out the details on ALL the steps that he is going to make at this time? Right after the 10k job cut? LOL people must think this man is an idiot or something to do that. I think the fact that some drastic measures have been taken already and also the fact that he is practically saying such cuts/changes will continue is good enough. Kaz himself is taking over the tv division which instills confidence in the shareholders which combined with the above factors increased their stock value. It's not rocket science.

The tv division needs some major changes and sony does need to come up with things to wow others, even if they are considered as gimicks by some. It will help them improve their brand image. sounds like Kaz understands this too. Best of luck to him


If you start researching Sony's plight, its problems even pre-date when the company put a TV news producer in charge (Howard Stringer won nine Emmys at CBS).

But just remember, Kaz thought the PS3 would keep the PS2's marketshare, despite its price, six years ago. So hopefully, he can see more clearly the realities  of the world now.

 

Mike from Morgantown

the two things you mentioned have absolutely not relevance to my statement :S not sure what your point is

stringer was a bad choice in hindsight for sure

it's called PR. Surely you're not clueless about this. All companies do this, ms, ninty, apple etc. Sony is no different. I think you need a reality check on what people do in different roles

MUGEN from PDX (btw why do you keep saying this mike from morgantown bit? 0_o is that like a signature of something?)

My point on Stringer was (1) he was not the person to change things as he did not have the business background and (2) the problems at Sony are long-standing.  To be honest, Stringer was hailed when he came in and Sony was complemented for thinking outside the box and going with a non-Japanese CEO.  Afrer all, he replaced Ken "get a second job to pay for your PS3" Kutaragi.

My other point was that not everything that the Playstation unit has done has gone according to plan. So putting blind trust in Kazuo Hirai because of his work with that brand could be foolish. (Putting bind faith in any person running a business is generally foolish).  And YES, I know what PR is and certainly there was some of that in his statement. I probably should have cited something with a bit more resonance that PR speak -- like the PSP-Go or Move (both of which I thought were unwise and let the local Sony rep know when I saw her stocking my local Gamestop).

Finally, I have used my tag line as long as I have been on this site.  The few times I have omitted it, I have been asked about it.

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M.U.G.E.N on 12 April 2012
mike_intellivision said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
mike_intellivision said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Wait I don't understand what these analysts and arm chair analysts wanted out of this presentation...did anyone actually expect him to give out the details on ALL the steps that he is going to make at this time? Right after the 10k job cut? LOL people must think this man is an idiot or something to do that. I think the fact that some drastic measures have been taken already and also the fact that he is practically saying such cuts/changes will continue is good enough. Kaz himself is taking over the tv division which instills confidence in the shareholders which combined with the above factors increased their stock value. It's not rocket science.

The tv division needs some major changes and sony does need to come up with things to wow others, even if they are considered as gimicks by some. It will help them improve their brand image. sounds like Kaz understands this too. Best of luck to him


If you start researching Sony's plight, its problems even pre-date when the company put a TV news producer in charge (Howard Stringer won nine Emmys at CBS).

But just remember, Kaz thought the PS3 would keep the PS2's marketshare, despite its price, six years ago. So hopefully, he can see more clearly the realities  of the world now.

 

Mike from Morgantown

the two things you mentioned have absolutely not relevance to my statement :S not sure what your point is

stringer was a bad choice in hindsight for sure

it's called PR. Surely you're not clueless about this. All companies do this, ms, ninty, apple etc. Sony is no different. I think you need a reality check on what people do in different roles

MUGEN from PDX (btw why do you keep saying this mike from morgantown bit? 0_o is that like a signature of something?)

My point on Stringer was (1) he was not the person to change things as he did not have the business background and (2) the problems at Sony are long-standing.  To be honest, Stringer was hailed when he came in and Sony was complemented for thinking outside the box and going with a non-Japanese CEO.  Afrer all, he replaced Ken "get a second job to pay for your PS3" Kutaragi.

My other point was that not everything that the Playstation unit has done has gone according to plan. So putting blind trust in Kazuo Hirai because of his work with that brand could be foolish. (Putting bind faith in any person running a business is generally foolish).  And YES, I know what PR is and certainly there was some of that in his statement. I probably should have cited something with a bit more resonance that PR speak -- like the PSP-Go or Move (both of which I thought were unwise and let the local Sony rep know when I saw her stocking my local Gamestop).

Finally, I have used my tag line as long as I have been on this site.  The few times I have omitted it, I have been asked about it.

Hope all is well in Portland -- but be careful of Mr. Burns nucelar plant 100 miles to your south.

Mike from Morgantown

 

 

 

 

 

 


I'm not saying anyone should, (I certainly am not) should put blind faith in the guy. But so far he has been making the right moves so hopefully he will keep doing so

Burns? was that a simpsons reference? :S



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 12 April 2012

a wait and see approach with a little faith is all i can give.



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