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logic56 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
logic56 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
I expected way more than that. I bet Sony won't make the profits they were predicting. Actually, I thing they will be losing money next year as well. Especially if the PS4 is a powerful machine

and it's the fans who always want to find good news in bad news

stay classy Chartz


Well, could you please explain me where the good news has been for Sony in the past week?

I am not the only one who expected way more than that. Look at all the reactions from the analysts.

"Actually, I thing they will be losing money next year as well. Especially if the PS4 is a powerful machine"

translation, Screw Sony, me the armchair analyst forum dweller knows more than them, they'll be losing money regardless of what they say

because you know more than Kaz, oh do outline how they'll be losing money and especially if the ps4 is a powerful machine, I mean ignoring the fact that the Vita is a powerful machine and isn't lost money, and their plans to cut cost and streamline their business. 

To go from $6.7b lost to profitable in 1 year is nearly impossible. He doesn't know more than Kaz - he's just saying what Kaz won't. You really think a new CEO can afford to say "our goal is to lose way less money next year"? Noone needs to outline how Sony will be losing money. Sony has been losing money consistently for years now. What needs to be said in GREAT DETAIL, not outlined, is how they plan to change that.

Kaz's plan boils down to  "lower costs, run the business better, make cool products people want, and profit!" Easier said than done. You think everyone working at Sony didn't want to do those things, and that such obvious business improvements come as a bright flash of light? What needs to be done is clear, but pulling it off will be difficult, and it won't be a $7 Billlion swing in 1 year.



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M.U.G.E.N said:
mike_intellivision said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
mike_intellivision said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Wait I don't understand what these analysts and arm chair analysts wanted out of this presentation...did anyone actually expect him to give out the details on ALL the steps that he is going to make at this time? Right after the 10k job cut? LOL people must think this man is an idiot or something to do that. I think the fact that some drastic measures have been taken already and also the fact that he is practically saying such cuts/changes will continue is good enough. Kaz himself is taking over the tv division which instills confidence in the shareholders which combined with the above factors increased their stock value. It's not rocket science.

The tv division needs some major changes and sony does need to come up with things to wow others, even if they are considered as gimicks by some. It will help them improve their brand image. sounds like Kaz understands this too. Best of luck to him


If you start researching Sony's plight, its problems even pre-date when the company put a TV news producer in charge (Howard Stringer won nine Emmys at CBS).

But just remember, Kaz thought the PS3 would keep the PS2's marketshare, despite its price, six years ago. So hopefully, he can see more clearly the realities  of the world now.

 

Mike from Morgantown

the two things you mentioned have absolutely not relevance to my statement :S not sure what your point is

stringer was a bad choice in hindsight for sure

it's called PR. Surely you're not clueless about this. All companies do this, ms, ninty, apple etc. Sony is no different. I think you need a reality check on what people do in different roles

MUGEN from PDX (btw why do you keep saying this mike from morgantown bit? 0_o is that like a signature of something?)

My point on Stringer was (1) he was not the person to change things as he did not have the business background and (2) the problems at Sony are long-standing.  To be honest, Stringer was hailed when he came in and Sony was complemented for thinking outside the box and going with a non-Japanese CEO.  Afrer all, he replaced Ken "get a second job to pay for your PS3" Kutaragi.

My other point was that not everything that the Playstation unit has done has gone according to plan. So putting blind trust in Kazuo Hirai because of his work with that brand could be foolish. (Putting bind faith in any person running a business is generally foolish).  And YES, I know what PR is and certainly there was some of that in his statement. I probably should have cited something with a bit more resonance that PR speak -- like the PSP-Go or Move (both of which I thought were unwise and let the local Sony rep know when I saw her stocking my local Gamestop).

Finally, I have used my tag line as long as I have been on this site.  The few times I have omitted it, I have been asked about it.

Hope all is well in Portland -- but be careful of Mr. Burns nucelar plant 100 miles to your south.

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I'm not saying anyone should, (I certainly am not) should put blind faith in the guy. But so far he has been making the right moves so hopefully he will keep doing so

Burns? was that a simpsons reference? :S


Yes, they finally said which Springfield the Simpsons is supposed to be - Oregon.



Just dropping TVs and mobile phones would put Sony billions in the black, right? At least change the model already (making super-expensive stuff and expecting people to buy a ton of it).



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M.U.G.E.N said:


I'm not saying anyone should, (I certainly am not) should put blind faith in the guy. But so far he has been making the right moves so hopefully he will keep doing so

Burns? was that a simpsons reference? :S

Yeppers on the Simpson's reference.  Matt Groening admitted that the model for Springfield was in Oregon.

 

I hope for Sony's sake that Kaz gets it right. The company has assets, but it has had some issues for years. Ironically, it won its last tech battle (BluRay) when it used to lose them (DAT, Beta, etc.).

 

 



      


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So if Sony goes down, is there anyway the PS brand could be saved? It IS profitable and still hugely popular, could another company somehow buy the brand or Sony?



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Jereel Hunter said:
logic56 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
logic56 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
I expected way more than that. I bet Sony won't make the profits they were predicting. Actually, I thing they will be losing money next year as well. Especially if the PS4 is a powerful machine

and it's the fans who always want to find good news in bad news

stay classy Chartz


Well, could you please explain me where the good news has been for Sony in the past week?

I am not the only one who expected way more than that. Look at all the reactions from the analysts.

"Actually, I thing they will be losing money next year as well. Especially if the PS4 is a powerful machine"

translation, Screw Sony, me the armchair analyst forum dweller knows more than them, they'll be losing money regardless of what they say

because you know more than Kaz, oh do outline how they'll be losing money and especially if the ps4 is a powerful machine, I mean ignoring the fact that the Vita is a powerful machine and isn't lost money, and their plans to cut cost and streamline their business. 

To go from $6.7b lost to profitable in 1 year is nearly impossible. He doesn't know more than Kaz - he's just saying what Kaz won't. You really think a new CEO can afford to say "our goal is to lose way less money next year"? Noone needs to outline how Sony will be losing money. Sony has been losing money consistently for years now. What needs to be said in GREAT DETAIL, not outlined, is how they plan to change that.

Kaz's plan boils down to  "lower costs, run the business better, make cool products people want, and profit!" Easier said than done. You think everyone working at Sony didn't want to do those things, and that such obvious business improvements come as a bright flash of light? What needs to be done is clear, but pulling it off will be difficult, and it won't be a $7 Billlion swing in 1 year.

That's because it's not 7B lost. It's 3.7B. The other 3B is money that never existed; That 3B is tax deferal credits in the US that are meant to help a business after some bad years. Until they make a profit, they can't use that money to "pay their taxes", so in a way, yes they did lose 3B in savings that they will eventually have to pay in taxes, but they didn't do so poorly as to actually have lost that money.

The USA was like, hey you had a bad year, you lost money. Normally, ahd you made money, you would've had to pay 100M$, so, next year, in order to help you out of this tight spot, here's a coupon for 100M. If you make profit and have to pay, 120M, then use this coupon and only pay 20M.

Sony lost their coupon.

So, given that circumstance that you are misinformed about, they are only 3.7B down this year which is mostly due to 1) tokyo fukushima disaster and flooding in thailand 2) the currency market.

Japan has pledged to hit an inflation rate of 1% in an attempt to offset international losses. Japan has contributed about .1 % so far, and while the currencies are fluctuating, the yen has dropped against other currencies. What this means is that every dollar buys more yen. Meaning more profit. Since January, Sony has gained roughly 500-600M $ in currency market. (They gain 6B yen per every point the yen drops in each market)

So, combined with 10,000 jobs lost at an average of 40k per employee (about standard for a corporation) That's 400M, say, another .9% gain in currency inflation equaling somewhere between 1.5B-2B$ - 1% of SCEJ value, 170M, and you're looking at a base of 1.75-2.25B reversal, leaving just 2-1.5B in savings they need to make including cutting overhead, selling more systems, and games, less models of tvs, etc etc, and you begin to see it's very much attainable, because most of that cost was "lost assets" relating to factories and production plants in thailand and Japan.



Andrespetmonkey said:
So if Sony goes down, is there anyway the PS brand could be saved? It IS profitable and still hugely popular, could another company somehow buy the brand or Sony?

Buy them? maybe MS or apple. I would prefer the divison to go by itself it were the case, i think they could make it through by themselves.



I may of missed it but how much do they save just from cutting 10,000 jobs?



kowenicki said:
Gilgamesh said:
I may of missed it but how much do they save just from cutting 10,000 jobs?

at least $300m I'd say.  Depends on the standard of the jobs I guess.

Hmm, that's to bad though, 26,000 jobs loss in the last few year in Sony :(



Not enough in my opinion.

Sony needs to do something drastic! Make something amazing! Set the technological world on fire! :)

Well something along those lines...simply going about things as business as usual is just gonna lead to a slow death (well not really but you get what i mean).

As a sony fan i hope they get lucky with a upcoming product, some success should go a long way.



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