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kowenicki said:
sergiodaly said:
kowenicki said:
Argh_College said:
Online required ? Thats stupid, some people want to travel with the Console and play in hotels and so without internet so this is non sense.

i do that all the time.


I'd say that will annoy about 0.001% of console buyers.

just a question... if MS discards this move and sony does this in PS4, will you be so cool about it? (joke question)

i have to disagree with your percentage... about nextbox and about any other piece of technology that comes with this string (really a rope) attach...

I couldnt give a rats arse if all of them do it... my HOME console sits in my HOME where it is permanently connected to my HOME network.


so since YOU can do things YOUR way, then it's fair to assume EVERYONE can do it that way too?  that's jsut not the case.  Hell, I have internet connection that's pretty good and I don't LIKE being online all the time.  it hogs the bandwidth if I'm,  say, downloading a game or something, imagine if someone had dialup and the game forced you to shut down all internet connections? 

What if you're like most people who have internet that is good but is prone to occasional outages?  nothing more frustrating than being in the middle of an epic killstreak and having the internet flicker.  what if you were saving your game, or in the midle of a quest and hadn't saved and your internet flickered?  what if you're at, say, a cottege or something and brought your console BECAUSE there was no internet?  

There are too many variables, and it's too much of a hassle just to combat piracy. Piracy isn't that big of a deal, console game sales are the highest they've ever been and the gaming community is constantly growing.  The idea of an 'always online' console is ridiculous.  I think Microsoft (or sony, or anyone who implements that kind of DRM) is pants-on-head retarded.  Not just that, but greedy and selfish.  it's disgusting. 

Same goes for used games.  I'd blow a gasket if the next gen came around and they decided it was best to destroy the used games market. I almost always buy new and never sell my games, but that would just  be a horrible, selfish, disgusting abuse of capitalism.  "yay, let's destroy an entire business (used game sales) becuase we need MOAR MONEY!"  it's bad enough the fuckers make used game buyers pay for online passes, but anything more than the 5-10 dollar license fee for playing a game online and...well, fuck that.  I honestly think I'd consider giving up gaming if it came to that.  I have over 130 games in my posession to play and beat, as well as dozens of games I'd happily return to.  realistically, I could not buy another game for 5 years and still have plenty to do.  



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M.U.G.E.N said:
D-Joe said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
D-Joe said:
people really love rumors
maybe because they can act like it's true and bitching about it


you do love to bitch about other people bitching tho :P

#inception

what i'm bitching?did i said something don't let you people keep discussing?

as I said you are bitching about other people 'bitching'. Not sure what the second part of your comment actually have to do with what I said. Never implied you get in the way of others. Just saying you complain about other people complaining a lot, that's all.

so what am i complaining?



Troll_Whisperer said:
If online really is required to play any game then MS can say goodbye to any chance they may have had of leading next gen. I don't think they'll do it.

I'm not sure if raw console sales are their main interest, it might very well be software sales/ gold accounts.



D-Joe said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
D-Joe said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
D-Joe said:
people really love rumors
maybe because they can act like it's true and bitching about it


you do love to bitch about other people bitching tho :P

#inception

what i'm bitching?did i said something don't let you people keep discussing?

as I said you are bitching about other people 'bitching'. Not sure what the second part of your comment actually have to do with what I said. Never implied you get in the way of others. Just saying you complain about other people complaining a lot, that's all.

so what am i complaining?

did you not read what I typed or something? the answer is right there. anywho not something worth dragging on about, just an observation



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M.U.G.E.N said:
D-Joe said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
D-Joe said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
D-Joe said:
people really love rumors
maybe because they can act like it's true and bitching about it


you do love to bitch about other people bitching tho :P

#inception

what i'm bitching?did i said something don't let you people keep discussing?

as I said you are bitching about other people 'bitching'. Not sure what the second part of your comment actually have to do with what I said. Never implied you get in the way of others. Just saying you complain about other people complaining a lot, that's all.

so what am i complaining?

did you not read what I typed or something? the answer is right there. anywho not something worth dragging on about, just an observation

so what am i complaining?



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TWRoO said:
Reasonable said:
sergiodaly said:

but if i BUY the nextbox, i already spend my money on it... make internet mandatory is pushing the limits... i can go as far as to be on-line to register the software to the machine... but to be always on-line is unnecessary...

Reasonable said:
Online all the time?  That seems truly doubtful.  In 2013 that would surely limit the device hugely in many countries?

Mind you MS did push the orignal Xbox with a heavy online element which surely limited it in the day so who knows?  Maybe they'll push 360 more in emerging territories at a lower price and concentrate the new Xbox on US, UK and Europe?  I'd add Japan of course but is seems somewhat spurilous to so so.


sorry for the off-topic... UK and Europe? were do you think UK is? UK is in europe and its not a different market... so no need to split them up!

 

I was more thinking mainland Europe vs UK and European Union vs UK.  In UK we never consider ourselves fully part of Europe!

Bad habit really but it is hugely common in UK to refer to Europe seperately.  Even in large global companies I will hear senior staff talk about having UK and European offices.

My point remains, if MS really went for always connected (which I'm seriously doubting) then unless global infrastructure changes a lot between now and late 2013 they will surely be in trouble in most non US / European countries.

Whilst in the UK, saying something like "going to Europe" makes sense because it is pretty obvious you are talking about the rest of Europe, same principle with the international companies (especially if they are mainly based in the UK but have overseas offices)... if there are people that actually think the UK is not part of Europe though then I despair at this daft country.

Oh and the UK is part of the European Union.

It's goes back to the history of England /UK . An island nation physically separate from mainland Europe but also tied to it through proximity , shared bloodlines , history e.t.c , but a lot of that history made up of wars , rivalry in the way of Empires plus an us against the rest mindset . honed during those wars , also the fact that the UK only joined the European common market in the 1960's , which itself was seen in some quarters as a sell out of the commonwealth , and has politically never fully embrace Europe even now shows  the UK still has that mindset.



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superchunk said:

If anyone actually didn't think there was a 99% possibility that it would include a bluray drive... they're crazy.

I was actually wishing the next box would go back to using cartridge based games... :(



D-Joe said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
D-Joe said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
D-Joe said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
D-Joe said:
people really love rumors
maybe because they can act like it's true and bitching about it


you do love to bitch about other people bitching tho :P

#inception

what i'm bitching?did i said something don't let you people keep discussing?

as I said you are bitching about other people 'bitching'. Not sure what the second part of your comment actually have to do with what I said. Never implied you get in the way of others. Just saying you complain about other people complaining a lot, that's all.

so what am i complaining?

did you not read what I typed or something? the answer is right there. anywho not something worth dragging on about, just an observation

so what am i complaining?

learn to read, I already gave you the answer to that. anywho we are derailing this thread now. If you have any furthure Q's hit me up on my wall



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M.U.G.E.N said:
D-Joe said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
D-Joe said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
D-Joe said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
D-Joe said:
people really love rumors
maybe because they can act like it's true and bitching about it


you do love to bitch about other people bitching tho :P

#inception

what i'm bitching?did i said something don't let you people keep discussing?

as I said you are bitching about other people 'bitching'. Not sure what the second part of your comment actually have to do with what I said. Never implied you get in the way of others. Just saying you complain about other people complaining a lot, that's all.

so what am i complaining?

did you not read what I typed or something? the answer is right there. anywho not something worth dragging on about, just an observation

so what am i complaining?

learn to read, I already gave you the answer to that. anywho we are derailing this thread now. If you have any furthure Q's hit me up on my wall

so what am i complaining?



zero129 said:
VGKing said:
zero129 said:
I don't care how powerful it is, if it needs to be connected at all times i wont be buying it, same goes for the PS4 if it needs to be connected before you can play a game.
Still i can think of a few Sony fans that is shitting their pants thinking about the Nextbox having 2 GPU's and one of them being from the 7xxx range, but i wont name no names xD.


I know you're mentioning me since you have this obsession with me.(Which is kinda weird for a 29 year old male)
Anyway this rumor is obviously false. 2 GPUs that work indepently? And it even mentions that Kinect will be bundled in..so unless the console is going to cost $500-$600, I call bull.

I don't care whether 720 is more powerful than PS4 or the other way around. I just want next-gen consoles to be exponentially more powerful than current-gen.

Well since you automatically assumed i was talking about you, plus the fact you checked out my profile to find out my age, makes me wonder whos the one with the obsession??.

Plus like i said a 7750 GPU can be got for $100 today, by 2013-2014 they will be even cheaper, it would prob only cost MS $50 to include 2 of them, but then we have problems with heat etc, put maybe they are making some kind of custom Twin GFX card i don't know. All i know if the console launches with a price of $400-450 it will be a good while before i buy one, and could put MS at a huge disadvantage if sony launches a console for $300-350.

do you or anyone think MS or Sony will launch their console below 500$?

this is not 2005/06 any more... people buy 3 million "half PCs" in a day for 600$ a piece... and they will do it again the next year... why not pay 500 or 600$ for a console that will last at least 5 years (will do more, but 5 is for sure)... so these are the days that people will buy 500/600$ consoles and stop living in the early 2000's.



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