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Michael-5 said:
Aldro said:
Michael-5 said:
 

Winning Best graphics in 2008 holds little meaning now (and to be fair Gears 2 got a reasonable number of awards that year, when did Killzone ever get as many?)

I don't have trouble accepting public opinion, but you're making your opinion "public opinion." I have not ever read a single article which said Uncharted 2 looks better then the better looking games released after it (GoW3, Killzone 3, Gears 3, Uncharted 2, etc). This is your opinion, not a general concencus, and I'm just pointing that out.

And I already accepted your graphic list, I said that really after Uncharted 3, anyone can argue what's #2. Your list will be different then mine because you took differenct experiences from games differently then me, and everyone else. After all you might put UC2 above GoW3, but I bet GodofWar_3ever would say the oposite.

Having a game win best graphics anually....yes PS3 has done that, if you read I never argued that, I only argued that if you played these games today, how would they rank. Something from 2008 wouldn't rank too high as they are able to push the PS360 more now. Also you never know about 2012, Halo could win, or even Resident Evil 6....or knowing IGN, XenoBlade. lol.


"I have not ever read a single article which said Uncharted 2 looks better then the better looking games released after it (GoW3, Killzone 3, Gears 3, Uncharted 2, etc). This is your opinion, not a general concencus, and I'm just pointing that out."

http://www.gamereactor.se/artiklar/26926/V%E4rldens+10+snyggaste+konsolspel/?page=2

Published almost a year ago.

Its my personal opinion, but the PS3 continues to release the best looking games for each year. How they stack up now is none of what I am highlighting. I am simply saying the PS3 is the hardware that impresses critics yearly. Get that through your head.


"Yes PS3 has done that"
THERE WE GO! FINALLY, PHEW, YEAH!

It has done that. Now wether 2009 and 2010 is not up on par with Multiplatforms can be discussed. I personally feel it is, you might not. All im saying is every year for the last 4 years, the games that recieve most acclaim for moving the bar up are: PS3 exclusives. Just like you said. YAY :D Good! :')

In regards to the German Article, it only supports my arguement. Metal Gear Solid 4 didn't even make the top 10 (Gears of War 2 beat it :P), and Gears of War 3 took #4. Yes Gears 3 placement supports your order (1 website), but it also supports my arguement about how best graphics in 2009/2010 (Gears 3 beat Uncharted 2 as well, wasn't UC2 #2 on your list?) mean nothing in the grand scheme.

PS3 and 360 both produce excellent looking games each year, and I will admit in general, PS3 has that 1 exclusive which looks better then the 360 compeditor (UC3 > Gears 3, MGS4 = Gears 2 despite that article you gave, GoW3 > Mass Effect 2, etc). However it's not a big enough difference to give PS3 the crown, and it's subject to opinion (I still think Forza 4 has 2011), that's all I'm saying. Let's see how 2012 pans out, Halo 4 could top The Last of Us, and Resident Evil 6 could top them all.


If you want the best exclusive graphics on consoles, the PS3 is it. The 360 makes third party games look better and has the more tolerable port of PC games (Which is why I play most of those on my 360).



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Turkish said:
Sevengen said:
when do these silly comparison threads stop?
truth is, both consoles are so close graphically that there really is no way to definitively prove which one has the edge, so that leaves personal opinion and bias as the deciding factors, which, in the end prove nothing.

for every screenshot of Uncharted 3 on the PS3, there's a shot of Crysis 2 on the 360, or even Battlefield 3 for that matter which beats both of them hands down for lighting, shading and textures. Now, you can tell me I'm wrong or crazy, but it's my opinion... afforded me because of the rediculously close tech output from the HD twins.

there are no nails. no coffin. just opinion.


LOL! Are you serious about Crysis 2 or BF3 on consoles looking better then Uncharted 3 or God of War 3? Get real man, mutliplat titles on consoels are inferior to PS3 exclusives. Unless you play Crysis 2 and BF3 on Ultra with 8xAA on a PC then there is nothing that comes close to PS3 exclusives.

Sorry, I'm tired of your selective screen shot picking.  Be honest about your games before trash talking.

 

http://bulk2.destructoid.com/ul/189502-Uncharted3MainImage.jpg

I can pull a gears of war screen shot that looks better than that.  Blurry wood textures, muddy floor, blurry books.  

 

http://www.mofobian.com/wp-content/gallery/uncharted-3/uncharted-3-10.jpg

Muddy desert textures, blurry plane.  Low polygon trucks.

http://thumbnails.hulu.com/662/50004662/110776_512x288_generated.jpg

That train man, low polygon rocks in the background, blurry tiny blades of pathetic grass.  I can get better looking graphics by running Crysis on medium with 2x AA.  

 

Here is the train level from Uncharted 2, put into Crysis

 

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3428/2axca.jpg

 

So what about Uncharted 2 looking better than Crysis without 8x AA and on max settings?   Quit making a fool of yourself.  Completely bias man.

 

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/122/1220174/the-witcher-2-assassins-of-kings-20120126092505616_640w_1331093691.jpg

 

This is Witcher 2, it is beginning to look better than any God of War or Uncharted game so far.


In my opinion, I think Red Dead Redemption looks better than the uncharted games.



Imagine the target frame rate of GOW3 was 30fps instead of perceptual 60fps. How much better could it have looked I wonder.... I don't think it would have looked that much better but maybe the play area could have been larger.



Michael-5 said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Michael-5 said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Michael-5 said:
 

I'm sorry you mock a bit of texture blur and return with a photo of sharp angles? Just look at that green light streak....

The light streak is because of the motion blur used in GoW III. And its a game that definitely looks better in motion.

And the mesh under the armor is mesh, geez. Still an imperfection, one which is very obvious in gameplay.

The fuck ?

How is it an imperfection if its deliberate and part of the style ?

It's not a smooth curve. Having sharpe edges in a constant motion isn't deliberate, it's a limitation (Like jaged polygons on a round object). It's small, just like the Halo mesh, not worth arguing about. geez, just pointing out every game has imperfections.

thats purposeful. it comes from kratos, pulling out the blades, pulling foward and then jerking them down, it creates that bent arc. it makes perfect sense with the animation he makes, and is in no way a fault, nor does it have anything to do with bad AA which is what you are implying.

also that image is from in game, gameplay, unlike the nothing special or impresive halo bullshot.



killerzX said:
Michael-5 said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Michael-5 said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Michael-5 said:
 

I'm sorry you mock a bit of texture blur and return with a photo of sharp angles? Just look at that green light streak....

The light streak is because of the motion blur used in GoW III. And its a game that definitely looks better in motion.

And the mesh under the armor is mesh, geez. Still an imperfection, one which is very obvious in gameplay.

The fuck ?

How is it an imperfection if its deliberate and part of the style ?

It's not a smooth curve. Having sharpe edges in a constant motion isn't deliberate, it's a limitation (Like jaged polygons on a round object). It's small, just like the Halo mesh, not worth arguing about. geez, just pointing out every game has imperfections.

thats purposeful. it comes from kratos, pulling out the blades, pulling foward and then jerking them down, it creates that bent arc. it makes perfect sense with the animation he makes, and is in no way a fault, nor does it have anything to do with bad AA which is what you are implying.

also that image is from in game, gameplay, unlike the nothing special or impresive halo bullshot.

Wow, you people really are blinded by sony fanboyism. 



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errorpwns said:
killerzX said:
Michael-5 said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Michael-5 said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Michael-5 said:
 

I'm sorry you mock a bit of texture blur and return with a photo of sharp angles? Just look at that green light streak....

The light streak is because of the motion blur used in GoW III. And its a game that definitely looks better in motion.

And the mesh under the armor is mesh, geez. Still an imperfection, one which is very obvious in gameplay.

The fuck ?

How is it an imperfection if its deliberate and part of the style ?

It's not a smooth curve. Having sharpe edges in a constant motion isn't deliberate, it's a limitation (Like jaged polygons on a round object). It's small, just like the Halo mesh, not worth arguing about. geez, just pointing out every game has imperfections.

thats purposeful. it comes from kratos, pulling out the blades, pulling foward and then jerking them down, it creates that bent arc. it makes perfect sense with the animation he makes, and is in no way a fault, nor does it have anything to do with bad AA which is what you are implying.

also that image is from in game, gameplay, unlike the nothing special or impresive halo bullshot.

Wow, you people really are blinded by sony fanboyism. 

whaaat? im mostly an xbox fan. i enjoy xbox games, more in fact halo might just be my favorite game. but im just talking graphics here, which i can easily admit ps3 has better graphics. it doesnt mean i enjoy the games more because i dont. i like both ps3 and xbox. i just like xbox games more, and can admit that ps3 games look clearly better.

i like graphics, but best graphics arent everything.



This is still going on? Both consoles look great. PS3 has more graphical potential than 360 but its not always taken advantage of. This difference can be hard to tell apart with an untrained eye and especially by those who don't play both systems or the games that specifically show graphically achievement. Multiplatform games are not a valid argument except for those games, because often times the difference has everything to do with developer, not the hardware. If you really want the best graphics in your games, then buy both systems and take advantage of the multiplatform difference, while still having the exclusive glory of each.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

leo-j said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Exclusives.. yes

Multiplats no


okay? Some multiplats shared with the 360, presumably the bigger ones like CALL OF DUTY look almost half a generation behind graphicly compared to some ps3 exclusives....


yet most the wanted games out there are multi plats
battlefield
mass effect
dragon age
cod
elder scrolls
fallout
all look better and play better on 360, PS3 is more powerful but no one cares because lets face it, the vast majority of games people care about are multi plat.



Everyone's wow factor is different and a lot of this debate is based purely on the wow factor. People are more easily impressed when a lot is going on at the same time than they are impressed by huge environment. Baking openess on small areas is easy and that leaves you with more polygons to play with. A lot of PS3 exclusives play with that aspect and they do it damn well.

There's also character designs which people are easily impressed with. A game like MGS4 gets all sorts of free pass because of that but when one looks past the characters this game is bland.

If people want to stay objective they would have to look at a lot more games with small areas and how much everything is well done. Games like Uncharted are well done. They do everything well and they have the wow factor to back them up. Saying it couldn't be done on 360 is far fetched though as Naughty Dog will never make a game for 360 but since every multiplat devs are able to create powerful games on both I wouldn't be surprised if ND would achieve the same on 360.

I can't belive that with such minimal difference in power some people still think one is way more powerfull than the other. Super Nintendo was way more powerfull than the Genesis, Xbox was way more powerfull than PS2, PS3 being way more powerfull than 360? Lol.

And again, you get more control on Forza 4 cars in Autovista mode than you get to control Kratos when you're in qte mode, does that mean that these sequences aren't part of the game? Are they FMVs? Lol!



lol at some of the pics in here most are representative of whats seen in game most pics on the net are touched up with AA.

I think it's risky to say the PS3 is the definitive graphics king for this gen

when people refer to something as graphics king or whatever they usually refer to PC they do this b/c pretty much every game on PC is superior then it is on consoles both exclusives and multi its the pinnacle of the best gameplay experience in terms of graphics

sonys PS3 doesnt offer the best graphics for about 90% of the SW being released on it, going strictly console vs console excluding the PC for this gen it would be the X-box 360 that offers the best graphics on consoles for the majority of the SW being sold

there are only a few exclusive games on the PS3 key word a few that are graphically superior to the 360s exclusive library, forget about the 3rd party its a rap most all are graphically superior on the X-box there are plenty of comparisons on the net for most of the major 3rd party releases for you to see this.

imo the few ps3 exclusives that are graphically superior also sacrifice some gameply elements that are found else where for one gow3 doesnt even have a free moving camera, KZ is not as open as halo or has campaign coop , gt5s car list isnt as diverse as forzas, its back drops arent as good either, uncharted doesnt have as much content as gears ie enemies, boss battles, coop campaign, horde mode.

if you also look at the sales of the top 360 exclusives and compare them to the ps3s that are slightly graphically superior then you'll also see that the public also chooses gameplay over graphics.