I'm not desperate, I actualy find that insulting.

The desperation remark was not meant to belittle your opinions, but was aimed solely at your virtual reality comment, which was a bizarre extreme and came off as irrational.

I could say you are delusional though. You think a touch screen is going to set the gaming world on fire. You believe non-gamers have transformed into permanent core gamers.

I believe it is possible that Nintendo can deliver fun experiences and differentiate themselves with their new approach if they are successful.  And I never once said that all non-gamers were destined to become hardcore gamers; I said that it is certainly possible that Nintendo could again entice many non-gamers into finding reasons to buy a WiiU, and a tablet interface is highly intuive.  Everyone is a non-gamer before they are ever a gamer, after all.  And it is erroneous to assume that all people new to gaming who were enticed by the Wii will never have an interest in gaming again.

You want Nintendo to succeed so badly that you only see positives in the Wii U.

Of course I want to see the WiiU succeed... Nintendo is my favorite company, after all.  That doesn't mean that I am blind to their past mistakes or believe that they are infallible.

You think the Wii U and the Gamecube have nothing in common. Well I say they clearly share very similar situations on all the most important levels...

@underlined:  You still have not provided one shred of evidence to support this.  The Gamecube was launched after a very modest selling console, its timing was bad, it launched against a strong branded console that already had a substantial lead, it had nothing to set it apart from the competition, and its 1st party games were not system selling affairs.  The WiiU has none of these shortcomings, and we know nothing about what its 1st party software will be capable of yet.  So tell me, what are "all of the most important levels" that they clearly share?

... and hopefully you at least will consider that Nintendo may never regain the hardcore gamers it lost this generation.

Of course I consider this.  But I think they do have a shot at doing very well for themselves in this area, whereas you seem to believe that they are hopeless already.  In order to do exceptionally well, Nintendo doesn't need loyal core Microsoft and Sony fans; they already have their own core fans.  They need some of the casual Wii buyers, sure, but they also need those numerous gamers who are not brand loyal and buy lots of games; the people who helped push the NES, the PS/PS2 and the 360 to numbers that brand loyal fans wouldn't do by themselves.  It's these people that Nintendo needs to win over... soccer moms didn't push the PS2 to 150m units, and there certainly aren't 150m core 1st party Sony fans.  It all comes down to WiiU's games, market perception, and not squandering their lead.

So yes, I recognize that Nintendo could fall flat on their face with WiiU; it just won't be for the reasons you're suggesting.

I agree. Maybe I will make a how will Nintendo do in its first Year on the Wii U thread when the time comes.

I will say it will do better than the GC. Is that good enough now though? I doubt it will be as popular as the wii was.

The one point I am in major disagreeance with you on is that WiiU will only see the success of the Gamecube.  If you mean mainly only appealing to Nintendo fans, well, that remains to be seen.  But if you mean only 21m+ units sold lifetime, I can't imagine any of the big three selling that little ever again unless they royally screw up...

Well, that would be MS if they didn't allow used games on their new system right?

Yeah, that or the game TV they have to be developing, according to David Perry, lol.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-02-07-gaikai-microsoft-will-have-to-enter-tv-market

I really think that the last month alone it will push out some major numbers. It is Christmas as you know. Are you basing your 2-4 million off a world wide release?

Well I do not know how much we should trust GDC reactions, but they are having mixed feelings about the wii U. I hope Nintendo did not show anything different than a few months back. I still think it will have a big year once it comes out just because it will have not competition. Other than PS3 and 360. Which will be a gen behind by then.