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Kantor said:

That is interesting, yes. But then Red is what Captain Anderson had been pushing for the whole time, remember? It's the status quo.

Definitely the hardest part of Red was having to kill the Geth after they had become so great in my eyes. I really couldn't care less about the fact that we didn't have giant death machines/a creepy omniscient god wandering around.

Yeah, well - wait who did you romance with your Shepard?



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Khuutra said:
Kantor said:

That is interesting, yes. But then Red is what Captain Anderson had been pushing for the whole time, remember? It's the status quo.

Definitely the hardest part of Red was having to kill the Geth after they had become so great in my eyes. I really couldn't care less about the fact that we didn't have giant death machines/a creepy omniscient god wandering around.

Yeah, well - wait who did you romance with your Shepard?

Liara. Miranda in ME2.



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Kantor said:
Khuutra said:

Yeah, well - wait who did you romance with your Shepard?

Liara. Miranda in ME2.

Well shit, you see what I was talking about then, up there.

Hard not to pick Red after saying goodbye to your LI on the battlefield. With Tali it's a little worse, even.

"Get out of here, Tali. Go to Rannoch, and build a home there!"

"I have a home. Come back to me."

Shit's rough.

Carrying over from the other topic, even if you don't want to grab Kasumi (who is great), grabbing Overlord is really worth it if they ever put that DLC on sale. The music alone, really:

Overlord was one of the very few instances in the Mass Effect franchise affecting enough to move me to tears. It takes a lot of atmospheric cues from System Shock and Bioshock, too, which is always nice.



I won't say I was pleased with the new endings, since they were built on top of a pretty bad foundation. But I was mollified. I haven't tried the new fourth ending, although thematically it would be the most appropriate course for me.



noname2200 said:
I won't say I was pleased with the new endings, since they were built on top of a pretty bad foundation. But I was mollified. I haven't tried the new fourth ending, although thematically it would be the most appropriate course for me.

I don't suppose you watched them on Youtube, did you



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noname2200 said:
I won't say I was pleased with the new endings, since they were built on top of a pretty bad foundation. But I was mollified. I haven't tried the new fourth ending, although thematically it would be the most appropriate course for me.

I see it the other way around. I thought that a pleasing result would be an improvement on the original endings.

Since anything would be an improvement on the original endings, and these ones actually made some sense, I approve.



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Khuutra said:
noname2200 said:
I won't say I was pleased with the new endings, since they were built on top of a pretty bad foundation. But I was mollified. I haven't tried the new fourth ending, although thematically it would be the most appropriate course for me.

I don't suppose you watched them on Youtube, did you

Green and Blue, yes. I went through Red myself this time around. Not sure what color Refuse would be. Let's call it Yellow. Gotta represent and all.

Kantor said:
noname2200 said:
I won't say I was pleased with the new endings, since they were built on top of a pretty bad foundation. But I was mollified. I haven't tried the new fourth ending, although thematically it would be the most appropriate course for me.

I see it the other way around. I thought that a pleasing result would be an improvement on the original endings.

Since anything would be an improvement on the original endings, and these ones actually made some sense, I approve.

A pleasing result for me would be a good ending. These were much improved endings, but overall I found them just "acceptable." Perhaps I would be less harsh if this had been the original ending, although I tend to doubt it. As it is, the new stuff is "good enough" for me. Hence "mollified."



noname2200 said:
Khuutra said:
noname2200 said:
I won't say I was pleased with the new endings, since they were built on top of a pretty bad foundation. But I was mollified. I haven't tried the new fourth ending, although thematically it would be the most appropriate course for me.

I don't suppose you watched them on Youtube, did you

Green and Blue, yes. I went through Red myself this time around. Not sure what color New would be. Let's call it Yellow. Gotta represent and all.

I just call it "new".

Anyway, I was just curious - a lot of people miss out on what I felt was actually the more important part of the ending, since they use Youtube.

The thing is that a lot of people miss out on the conversations with the Catalyst, which I thought were the best part of it. I had already pegged it for a sort of insane god-like AI, but there were a few touches and subtle nods to canon which made the whole exchange better than I had previously hoped for.

In particular I liked how it tended to react when you argued with it.

"Then I won't use the Crucible. We'll destroy you without it."

"You cannot. You are vastly outnumbered, and used most of your resources to get to this point. If you do not use the Crucible then you will lose, and the cycle will continue."

"I don't believe you."

"Your belief is not required," and that part was good, the Hale and Meer voices fading away and the Child's voice ringing clear like a bell.

It's okay if we didn't like it the same, though. Now I guess it's a waiting game for the first real single player DLC.



Khuutra said:

I just call it "new".

Anyway, I was just curious - a lot of people miss out on what I felt was actually the more important part of the ending, since they use Youtube.

The thing is that a lot of people miss out on the conversations with the Catalyst, which I thought were the best part of it. I had already pegged it for a sort of insane god-like AI, but there were a few touches and subtle nods to canon which made the whole exchange better than I had previously hoped for.

In particular I liked how it tended to react when you argued with it.

"Then I won't use the Crucible. We'll destroy you without it."

"You cannot. You are vastly outnumbered, and used most of your resources to get to this point. If you do not use the Crucible then you will lose, and the cycle will continue."

"I don't believe you."

"Your belief is not required," and that part was good, the Hale and Meer voices fading away and the Child's voice ringing clear like a bell.

It's okay if we didn't like it the same, though. Now I guess it's a waiting game for the first real single player DLC.

The videos include the conversation with Star Child. You don't get to control what you say, obviously, but then you don't have much choice in the game either. But yes, it was a nice touch to have Shepard actually show some backbone, as he has done at every other point in the series.

And the new ending is most commonly called Refusal. It doesn't really have a colour. Perhaps black, for the future of the current sentient races?



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noname2200 said:
Kantor said:
noname2200 said:
I won't say I was pleased with the new endings, since they were built on top of a pretty bad foundation. But I was mollified. I haven't tried the new fourth ending, although thematically it would be the most appropriate course for me.

I see it the other way around. I thought that a pleasing result would be an improvement on the original endings.

Since anything would be an improvement on the original endings, and these ones actually made some sense, I approve.

A pleasing result for me would be a good ending. These were much improved endings, but overall I found them just "acceptable." Perhaps I would be less harsh if this had been the original ending, although I tend to doubt it. As it is, the new stuff is "good enough" for me. Hence "mollified."

Would you have been happier with a three-month delay of the game so that this ending could be available at launch?

I would, but since we didn't know what a clusterfuck it would be at a March release, we would all be whining about delays. So it goes.

Life lesson: Don't complain about delays (unless they go on for three years like TLG).



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