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Let me quote Yoda on this: One good week does not a great selling handheld make.



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atma998 said:
atma998 said:
Gilgamesh said:

I've said it many times Nintendo has held the handheld crown for far to long the Vita is hear and it's a force to reckon with. What with the perfect controls to a handheld gaming device, great new app features (so does the 3DS) and some of the top graphics out there (since when better graphics = more sales?) it's only a matter of time before it begins to outsell the competition. Price is a little way to high for now but as price cut's come sales will explode time after time (as we saw with the PSP, oh wait...).

Games like Monstrer Hunter (MH4 announced only for 3DS), Resident evil (not announced while 3DS already got 2 RE titles) and Final fantasy (not announced) hit in Japan there's no telling how high sales can get, and Call of Duty (not announced) in Amarica, now finally with the perfect controls and portability it's going to be a huge hit (CoD is no relevant on handheld) . And of course the one and only big game Gran Turismo would be absolute devine in Europe (See GT PSP sales), throw in some Fifa games (See FIFA games sales on PSP) and we once again we got some big system sellers few million sellers

Now I can see the 3DS market drying up within a few years (oh really?), there main seller is the 3D their games and there really isn't much potential there (heard that argument about motion control last gen...), a lot of complaints of head aches (Never heard about that) and limiting age group (there is no limiting age on Vita's games?), the updated graphics isn't huge (about the same as N64 to Wii) and from what we seen from the Wii it limited the amount of quality games from other big companies (since when better graphics = better quality?), there's a huge library of games out now can be ported to the PS Vita with similar graphics, huge potential (the same goes with 3DS with the plus value of 3D graphics). And honestly I dunno how long Nintendo can keep up the remakes (they give what customers want, just look at the sales of those remakes) and sequels to the same games they have (lol and there is no sequels from Sony, won't enumerate them all...) , how many more decades are people going to buy basically the same game with updated graphics and a new name of console next to the title (why not asking the same question for Sony franchises?), not saying they don't make new IP's but they really should invest more money in it.

Yeh the PS Vita has a way to go but give it time, soon enough it'll take over (wishful thinking) much like the PS3 (PS3 is still in third position) many more price cuts left to come.

I added some corrections, just for fun :)

Hey Gilgamesh, nothing to add?

*sign* fine I'll amuse you

Again obviously the games I mentioned even if there not officially announced will come to the Vita, and they will sell the best on the Vita, the market for RE/MH/FF is in Sonys hand compared to the 3DS. Call of duty is releasing this fall for the vita, no idea why you think it's not announced it's pretty well known. And the reason call of duty isn't popular on handhelds is why everyone? because its the shittiest controls known to man, until now, adding that second analogue stick makes a huge deal, not to mention the portability and connectivity to Vita owners friends. As for GT game on PSP, piracy.

" (heard that argument about motion control last gen...)" 

Yup and now look at it, pretty well dried up. Got a "good few years out of it though".

" lot of complaints of head aches (Never heard about that) and limiting age group (there is no limiting age on Vita's games?),"

You seem to be confused I was talking about the 3DS, there is an age limit for the handheld itself and it's well known 3D gives headaches. Even Nintendo doesn't recommend playing for more then 30 mins I do believe.

"how many more decades are people going to buy basically the same game with updated graphics and a new name of console next to the title (why not asking the same question for Sony franchises?)"

I have I found out that Sony makes the most new and interesting IP's out there.

 much like the PS3 (PS3 is still in third position) ......AND MANY MORE PRICE CUTS TO COME!

also yes PERFECT! controls for a handheld.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
VGKing said:
MonstaMack said:

No. Nintendo will just counter a price drop with another price drop, and the 3DS still has 3DS Lite 3DS XL etc to boost sales. 3DS has many good years to come.

Sony is going to beat it in graphics and that's it.

Plus Sony doesn't have the Pokemanz. Don't say Monster Hunter because It's already out on the 3DS (amirite?)

Edit: Also noted you said Call of Duty. It was on the DS and none gave a rats behind. I fail to see how the Vita version will change things. Not to mention Call of Duty is brotacular social game on consoles, have yet to see it work on the go.


DS COD games were completely different than console versions.

PS Vita COD will be on par with PS3 and have cross platform play. Hell I can see many PS3 owners buying a Vita version to play during lunch break and stuff like that.  You're seriously underestimating how big of a deal dual analog sticks are.

And you are seriously overestimating the power of having a portable Call of Duty. Only kids would appreciate that really since adults knows how kiddy it looks to play a fucking portable at work. (Oh wait, you mean actual school lunch breaks? Would make more sense then.)

 

People will prefer the far superior home console versions. No doubt or whatsoever.

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noname2200 said:
sethnintendo said:

Seriously though...  I feel where he is coming from.  I was probably labeled just as disillusioned back in the mid 2000 when I swore Nintendo was on a comeback.  I was mainly laughed at and I suppose that is the fate karma had in store for Sony fans.  They were never really good sports in the "console wars" and they got what they deserved.  Having their favorite company make mistake after mistake last gen only helped worsen things for them.  They just had a terrible "plan" for the start of the generation.  They finally got their head out of their ass but it was too late.  They still ended up decently but nowhere near where they should have if they actually had a good plan for this home console generation.

Whether the two are similar depends on the details. When you made your proclamations, did you have any evidence to support you? Or were your ideas like Gilgamesh's, i.e. a load of drivel that's completely devoid of facts and contradictions, completely divorced from reality?

An argument can be made for gilgamesh's position. But that requires more than mere assertions, most of which fly in the face of reality, and the rest of which are dependent on wishful thinking. It's not his theory that's amusing, it's his approach.

Well, I believe I was a little more based in reality of the entire situation.  I saw the DS becoming popular (especially in Japan at the time).  I also then saw that Nintendo was focusing a lot on controls which is the most important aspect to gaming to me.  Anyways, you be the judge... I didn't sound as confident as I wanted in the interview due to being surprised with a phone interview while in the middle of smoking weed!

 

http://www.dailytoreador.com/archives/article_d160d55c-67b9-56c8-9cab-9b1a24132d5b.html

"Nintendo might come back," he said. "They're definitely coming back in Japan."

 



sethnintendo said:

Well, I believe I was a little more based in reality of the entire situation.  I saw the DS becoming popular (especially in Japan at the time).  I also then saw that Nintendo was focusing a lot on controls which is the most important aspect to gaming to me.  Anyways, you be the judge... I didn't sound as confident as I wanted in the interview due to being surprised with a phone interview while in the middle of smoking weed!

 

http://www.dailytoreador.com/archives/article_d160d55c-67b9-56c8-9cab-9b1a24132d5b.html

"Nintendo might come back," he said. "They're definitely coming back in Japan."

 

Those comments sound pretty even-tempered to me!

But I mostly meant those questions to be rhetorical. Sorry if that wasn't clear. >_> I know you well enough to think you had something to back you up. My thing with gilgamesh revolves around the fact that he just plain doesn't.



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Sony must push development of 1st and 3rd party games that make good use of the 2 analog sticks interface. This way, when 3DS will eventually get the 2nd stick as standard equipment, its split user base will make it weaker on some genres. Obviously the two screens already give 3DS the lead in some other games and genres, even more a good reason for PSV to be as strong as possible where 3DS is weaker and carve and possibly expand a part of the market for itself, to at least partially balance 3DS' advantages.
This obviously won't grant PSV the leadership, but it could make it stronger than expected.

My prediction if PSV succeeds to expand the portable consoles audience in a direction where it can be stronger:

Lifetime sales

DS>3DS>PSV>PSP



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VGKing said:
sales2099 said:
Gilgamesh said:

I've said it many times Nintendo has held the handheld crown for far to long the Vita is hear and it's a force to reckon with. What with the perfect controls to a handheld gaming device, great new app features and some of the top graphics out there it's only a matter of time before it begins to outsell the competition. Price is a little to high for now but as price cut's come sales will explode time after time.

Games like Monstrer Hunter, Resident evil and Final fantasy hit in Japan there's no telling how high sales can get, and Call of Duty in Amarica, now finally with the perfect controls and portability it's going to be a huge hit. And of course the one and only big game Gran Turismo would be absolute devine in Europe, throw in some Fifa games and we once again we got some big system sellers. 

Now I can see the 3DS market drying up within a few years, there main seller is the 3D and there really isn't much potential there, a lot of complaints of head aches and limiting age group, the updated graphics isn't huge and from what we seen from the Wii it limited the amount of quality games from other big companies, there's a huge library of games out now can be ported to the PS Vita with similar graphics, huge potential. And honestly I dunno how long Nintendo can keep up the remakes and sequels to the same games they have, how many more decades are people going to buy basically the same game with updated graphics and a new name of console next to the title, not saying they don't make new IP's but they really should invest more money in it.

Yeh the PS Vita has a way to go but give it time, soon enough it'll take over, much like the PS3 many more price cuts left to come.

Sounds overly optomistic, and seriously lacking in seeing what Nintendo has up their sleeve. 

Nevermind the Vita has to overcome 3 MAJOR obstacles: 3DS head start, Price gap, and having no flagship on the level of Mario. 

- Monster Hunter, Resident Evil, and Final Fantasy have allready released on the 3ds. Vita wont benefit as much if 3ds gets them first.

- COD will be console based and thats how its gonna stay. COD vita will be as relevant as the Wii version....im dead serious. 

You see the 3ds market drying up in a few years...I see the Vita market drying up in a few months. I just dont see this thing being successful when you could buy a Wii and 3 games, 360, a PS3, or a 3ds and 3 games. Nevermind the tablet and smartphone industry only leaving room for one dedicated game handheld to thrive.....and that spot has been reserved for the 3ds. 

Cant tell if this post was serious, but if it is someone has to tell people like you that the PS2 days are looong dead. 

PLAYSTATION NETWORK. Cross-platform gameplay.

Nuff said.

lol let me put it this way.

Cod gamers play COD on 360, then PS3.

Everything else gets scraps. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Gilgamesh said:
atma998 said:
atma998 said:
Gilgamesh said:

 

*sign* fine I'll amuse you

Again obviously the games I mentioned even if there not officially announced will come to the Vita, and they will sell the best on the Vita, the market for RE/MH/FF is in Sonys hand compared to the 3DS. Call of duty is releasing this fall for the vita, no idea why you think it's not announced it's pretty well known. And the reason call of duty isn't popular on handhelds is why everyone? because its the shittiest controls known to man, until now, adding that second analogue stick makes a huge deal, not to mention the portability and connectivity to Vita owners friends. As for GT game on PSP, piracy.

" (heard that argument about motion control last gen...)" 

Yup and now look at it, pretty well dried up. Got a "good few years out of it though".

" lot of complaints of head aches (Never heard about that) and limiting age group (there is no limiting age on Vita's games?),"

You seem to be confused I was talking about the 3DS, there is an age limit for the handheld itself and it's well known 3D gives headaches. Even Nintendo doesn't recommend playing for more then 30 mins I do believe.

"how many more decades are people going to buy basically the same game with updated graphics and a new name of console next to the title (why not asking the same question for Sony franchises?)"

I have I found out that Sony makes the most new and interesting IP's out there.

 much like the PS3 (PS3 is still in third position) ......AND MANY MORE PRICE CUTS TO COME!

also yes PERFECT! controls for a handheld.

- By the time these "unnannouced games" hit the Vita, the gap will be far too large. The 3ds is getting great games NOW.

- RE, MH, and FF are Nintendo territory on handhelds.

- Again, COD is for 360 and PS3. All else gets scraps.  

"I have I found out that Sony makes the most new and interesting IP's out there."

Funniest comment I heard in a while. Especially funny given that we are on a sales website that tells you straight up that Sony cant give a game that remotely produces the interest/sales on the level of Mario. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Gilgamesh said:
MRKs said:
Gilgamesh said:

.And honestly I dunno how long Nintendo can keep up the remakes and sequels to the same games they have, how many more decades are people going to buy basically the same game with updated graphics and a new name of console next to the title, not saying they don't make new IP's but they really should invest more money in it.


Yeah, the people buy everything from Nintendo even when the games are almost identical to it's predeccesor. Let's bring Fifa and Call of Duty for Vita, oh wait...

 

In al seriousness, I really hope Vita does good even when in this generation I'm on Ninty's side but is too early to tell. The graphics are good so it will not age as far as 3DS, but the critical part are (and always will be) the games. 

That's different, Nintendos first party is basically unsurpasable, put the name Mario, Zelda, or Kart on the box and Nintendo fans go ape sh*t over it and every single owner buys it, thats why Nintendo fans buy Nintendo consoles to only buy these games. But right now Call of Duty is the thing this genration it's the biggest game's people are buying. Like last gen, what was the biggest games on the PS2? GTA. Then the PSP releases and what became the biggest selling game on the PSP? GTA.

Still, with 3 GTA titles in the PSP, it couldn't exceed the DS in sales. Not that matters anyway since my point was that CoD and Fifa has yearly releases that are almost identical to it's predeccesor. It was kinda of a joke.

I still believe the 3DS will win this generation, but the PSV will give battle that's for sure.



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leper-apostle said:
Plezbo said:

No, not even close.  It comes down to what Nintendo does best, which is mass market appeal.  When you go to buy a game system for your 8 year old, you arent going to buy the one thats seen as the grown ups system.  Vita and 3DS will sell similar,  yet lesser, ammounts as their predecesors because smart phones and tablets have stolen some of their market.  No chance that Vita out sells 3DS, no chance it even out sells PSP. 


Not this again, smart phones have done nothing to the market, they are totally different, 3ds sales show this, vita has every chance to outsell PSP, it will have better software support.

 

I think many just repeat what they read from articles about the phone market, yet there is not a single shred of evidence the phone market has impacted gaming handhedls, at all.

How hasn't the smart phone market affected the handheld gaming market?  Sales of 3DS and PSV are lower than either DS or PSP at launch.  You don't have to have either to get your casual gaming fix anymore.  It is very naive to think that smart phones and tablets won't affect this generation of portables, if infact it doesnt make this the last generation of dedicated mobile gaming devices.