Isnt that exactly what they are doing with PS4? You cant access online multi player unless you have PS+

It still doesn't change the fact that you have to pay to play online now even with the added feature of free games*.

Yes, but with the almighty PS4 that everyone seems so excited about, you WILL have to pay just to use your own internet connection. At least to play games online. Which is still absurd.

Keep telling yourself that when they are screwing you up the ass.

Actually, I can vouch for Pezus here. At the surface, I'm sure you post seems logical and valid. However, upon closer exmaination, it's clear that what you say isn't applicable today.

He said he would never pay for online play on a "console." Any reasonable person can see that the Playstation 4 will change the definition of "console" forever. Some might even argue that the Playstation 4 can't even be described as a mere console without understating the greatness that it truly is. After witnessing the wonder of this...masterpiece, I personally feel that calling the Playstation 4 a "console" is an insult. Of course, Pezus and other mortals couldn't have known how great the Ps4 would be back then. So it should be plainly obvious to a non-Playstation hater that any statements involving outdated definitions of "console" are no longer valid. So this sentence you highlighted here really doesn't mean anything. 

This only really applies if pezus isn't a PS+ subscriber, since he was quite clearly referring to a separate online charge.

And you're the same Xbox fan crying in every thread about how many issues your future console will have, who's always calling others out on stirring trouble and here you are.

I seriously have no sympathy for you, you deserve your reputation. 

This is probably the dumbest thread and the dumbest reasoning from the OP I've seen here this year, I guess this is why I rarely post here and stick to reading the articles, jeez

Stay in school OP

What matter of nonsense is that? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Here is the likely scenario: Present customers would be pissed off cause thats not the package they were promised and not as likely to jump on PS4. New customers would feel reluctant to buy the PS3 instead of the Wii U that offers free online. Again hurting PS4 sales aswell.

Cmon... how can you not see that?

I don't think you understand his logic. Imagine this scenario:

Let's say Bob has a severe medical condition, like violent diarrhea or something. So he goes to the pharmacy to get some pills. When he gets to the pharmacist, he is offered two options for pills: (1) Brand A, which is fairly trusted and costs about $50; and then there's (2) Brand B, which is free - no strings attached. If Bob is like like any sane person (and can afford it), he will buy the $50 pills nine times out of ten. There's no way he's taking the free pills. Something has to be wrong with them. Sure, they're free, but they could lead to worse diarrhea. The mere fact that they're free means they're worthless. So most people buy brand A. 

Now let's say the scenario is changed a bit. Let's say Bob is offered (1) Brand A, which is fairly trusted and costs about $50; and then there's (2) Brand B, which is slightly less trusted, but costs $30. Cool, a $20 dollar deal! Here, most people choose Brand B, because they believe they are getting an equal product at a lesser price; whereas with the free pills, they were afraid of worst diarrhea (or in PSN's case, stealing credit card info). Of course, this is an oversimplification, but the principle is still the same. The amount of customers gained from increasing the apparent value of the product will overwhelm the amount of customers lost who can't afford it.

This is actually a recorded fact in economics. The same applies to PSN. You will see the effect of this soon.