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insomniac17 on 18 January 2012
osamanobama said:

i was just making a point, in response to the other person

Yes, but insulting the other person won't get your point across. I see far too many arguments end up in one side insulting the other based on generic statements like that, and it is not true to say that every one is like that. Many, maybe, but not all. I know liberals that aren't like that at all. Generalizations are dangerous to make, is my point. If I took your post out of context, I apologize.



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markers on 18 January 2012
osamanobama said:
insomniac17 said:
osamanobama said:

 

I think that the US media should stop inciting people against China and Chinese. It's not like the rest of the world doesn't know what you liberal/socialist/progressives wackos are up to; again as usual.

liberals only care about "being green" but only force it on others, not themselves, a continuation of poverty by creating a dependent nanny state and wealth redistribution, a solution to overpopulation by eugenics, a continuation of terrorism, racism, and any other prejudices based on race or religion Christianity.- cif you call yourself a liberal - then you are supporting an ideology that fundamentally exists as a roadblock to common sense, freedom and liberty, and are in support of statism and tyranny and collectivism.

Liberaliism by the very nature is a backwards philosophy, and every time a liberal party was in charge of the US we saw a rise in racism and race baiting, warfare, and economic disaster, stagflation, rise in unemployement.

 

As I said before in this thread; this kind of generalization is not okay...

insomniac17 said:
Jumpin said:
I think that the US media should stop inciting people against China and Chinese. It's not like the rest of the world doesn't know what you conservative nutcases are up to; again.

Generalizing a group of people like this isn't okay either. Every group has stupid people, and not everyone in a group is stupid. Don't judge people based on political alignment; rather, take the time to talk to them and you may find you agree on more than you thought. Even if you don't agree on much, at least you took the time to understand their point of view and can sympathize with it, even if you still disagree. You'll make fewer people angry when you talk politics too, as you won't be infuriating half of the country whenever you make a comment like this.

Also;

IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Silver-Tiger said:

I'm disagreeing here, but let's not discuss this further, I'm thinking two completely different ideologies clash together here.

I just wanna say I'm glad there are more people on this side who doesn't lack common sense. Especially americans seems to be putting a lot of weight on this "fight fire with fire" logic. Just look at the death penalty; greatest f*****g irony ever.

Saying that I and others lack common sense is rather arrogant of you.

I think that the death penalty should be used rarely, but I think that there are times in which it is necessary, such as when you have a criminal so dangerous that you don't want to take the risk of them ever escaping and causing more damage, and when you are certain well beyond a reasonable doubt that they are guilty. It should be used with hesitation, as it is horrible if you get it wrong, but I believe that in rare cases, it is reasonable. Beyond that, we'll simply have to agree to disagree. I have yet to see evidence for serious punishment not working in my life, and I have seen plenty of times where it did work. I think that it is a great motivational tool when used properly, and I think that it is entirely appropriate in this case. I fail to understand how teaching these kids will help in any way whatsoever, as that provides no incentive for them to never repeat the crime.


i was just making a point, in response to the other person

Enlighten me on your point



Goddbless on 19 January 2012
toadslayer72 said:
superchunk said:
The videos in the last couple pages both work if you want to see it.

Its really wrong. However, if that kid was in a 20 on 1 fight with one of those kids as other vids proclaim, then he got what he deserved.

Kinda hard to know the full story from one video.

However, the bigger issue is US societies move to never fight 1v1 anymore. Its always bring all you homies and jump someone. That's BS. I never did that regardless if they did. I always proclaimed 1v1 and handled it they way it should be handled if it had to resort to a fight.

pathetic.


That's called shootin' a fair one. And you are right, kids don't do it that way and haven't been for a long time. Worse yet is if by chance they do shoot the fair one, the loser then going and getting his little rat pack to to fuck up the kid that one the fight. It's such bullshit, kids are fucking pussies these days.


Something like that happened on my block the week before Christmas. Two kids got into a fight and the one that lost went and got his friends. Then funny thing is the kid beat up the friends too. Ultimately that made it worse and the kids left school early, went home and got a gun. They came back after school and shot the kid 5 times while he was waiting for the bus to go home. Now that is sickening...



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Marks on 19 January 2012

Even if it was retaliation, still pretty lame that you have to get 7 guys to beat up 1 medium sized Asian guy.

I wonder what they were retaliating for. I've heard the Asian guy that got beat up has a crew of his own and they did something, I would love some details.



Jay520 on 19 January 2012

That was pretty bad, though it wasn't as terrible as some here have made it out to be. I was expecting the victom to be nearly dead or be seriously injured, a dislocated jaw, broken leg, or something of the sort. Instead, it didn't even look like he was bleeding much. Living in Detroit, I've seen one-on-one fights were people get beat much worse than that. He'll probably have a few bruises, but I doubt he'll have any injuries lasting over a few months.

Maybe, I've just been desensitized, but I just wasn't as moved as some people here. I've witnessed people get beat by groups before where the victom went out cold or even had mental damage. Hell, a few times people have been beaten to death. This....this just doesn't seem as gruesome to me, when you've seen kids beat someone with raging hate with the intent to kill, or permanently injure.

Those guys looked like they weren't really trying to hit him with full force, except for maybe a few hits, espescially in the beginning where I even thought the video looked fake. It looked to me like some teenagers just harming some dude, though not causing any major damage. I'd say they were maybe about 8-10 blows that actually caused intense pain.

This sounds like the way my older cousins used to "play" with me when I was younger. Hell, barring a few of those kicks & maybe three of those punches, I'd say my cousins used to "rough me up" just like that when I was younger. Of course, this video is completely different though. Those guys weren't family and the victom didn't know if they were trying to kill him or not (though a few times, I did used to wonder if my cousins would make me pass out when they were "playing" with me.

They didn't look like they wanted to cause any permanent injuries, and espescially didn't want to kill him. I don't know, maybe I've just had a fucked up life, but this just doesn't seem as bad as I was expecting. Of course, this was still a horrible act and the kids should be punished. They should not be killled though IMO.

EDIT: This sort of makes me question myself as a person. Everyone here is going nuts saying the kids should go away for a long time, they're horrible people, and the victom is going to be scarred for life. Then, I was sort of indifferent to the whole thing, just because he wasn't killed or seriously injured (compared to what I've witnessed). Has my life been that shitty that I can't sympathize with this? I don't know, I've found myself calling others soft a lot of times, but maybe it is I who is over-hardened.

EDIT 2: After thinking for a while, I did have a pretty rough life growing up. This could be one of the reasons why my family says I was a very happy kid from 0-10 years old, but became extremely silent & reserved between ages 11-15. I lot of rough things happened those years that I don't want to talk about. I've opened up a bit these last few years, (I'm 17 BTW) but maybe my life from 11-15 really scarred me and I didn't know it. I think I'm going to go see a psychologist now.

Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.



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toadslayer72 on 19 January 2012
Jay520 said:
That was pretty bad, though it wasn't as terrible as some here have made it out to be. I was expecting the victom to be nearly dead or be seriously injured, a dislocated jaw, broken leg, or something of the sort. Instead, it didn't even look like he was bleeding much. Living in Detroit, I've seen one-on-one fights were people get beat much worse than that. He'll probably have a few bruises, but I doubt he'll have any injuries lasting over a few months.

Maybe, I've just been desensitized, but I just wasn't as moved as some people here. I've witnessed people get beat by groups before where the victom went out cold or even had mental damage. Hell, a few times people have been beaten to death. This....this just doesn't seem as gruesome to me, when you've seen kids beat someone with raging hate with the intent to kill, or permanently injure.

Those guys looked like they weren't really trying to hit him with full force, except for maybe a few hits, espescially in the beginning where I even thought the video looked fake. It looked to me like some teenagers just harming some dude, though not causing any major damage. I'd say they were maybe about 8-10 blows that actually caused intense pain.

This sounds like the way my older cousins used to "play" with me when I was younger. Hell, barring a few of those kicks & maybe three of those punches, I'd say my cousins used to "rough me up" just like that when I was younger. Of course, this video is completely different though. Those guys weren't family and the victom didn't know if they were trying to kill him or not (though a few times, I did used to wonder if my cousins would make me pass out when they were "playing" with me.

They didn't look like they wanted to cause any permanent injuries, and espescially didn't want to kill him. I don't know, maybe I've just had a fucked up life, but this just doesn't seem as bad as I was expecting. Of course, this was still a horrible act and the kids should be punished. They should not be killled though IMO.

EDIT: This sort of makes me question myself as a person. Everyone here is going nuts saying the kids should go away for a long time, they're horrible people, and the victom is going to be scarred for life. Then, I was sort of indifferent to the whole thing, just because he wasn't killed or seriously injured (compared to what I've witnessed). Has my life been that shitty that I can't sympathize with this? I don't know, I've found myself calling others soft a lot of times, but maybe it is I who is over-hardened.

EDIT 2: After thinking for a while, I did have a pretty rough life growing up. This could be one of the reasons why my family says I was a very happy kid from 0-10 years old, but became extremely silent & reserved between ages 11-15. I lot of rough things happened those years that I don't want to talk about. I've opened up a bit these last few years, (I'm 17 BTW) but maybe my life from 11-15 really scarred me and I didn't know it. I think I'm going to go see a psychologist now.

Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.

Jay, you are a product of your environment and the things you have witnessed and or have been a part of have undoubtedly desensitized you. If you feel like you would want to talk to a therapist then maybe you should, some people really seem to benefit from it. Then again, some people end up thinking it's bullshit and just handle things the way they know how to. You shouldn't be so hard on yourself for not being so utterly shocked by the video, it doesn't make you an asshole or anything. I didn't watch the video because I don't like seeing that shit but I'm not so shocked by the content and yet I'm still compassionate....or soft.....chill or I'll fuck you up.



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thismeintiel on 19 January 2012
Jumpin said:
I think that the US media should stop inciting people against China and Chinese. It's not like the rest of the world doesn't know what you conservative nutcases are up to; again.

Considering this took place in Chicago, there is an incredibly larger chance that these people support Democrats and/or Liberal ideas.  Nice try, though.



 

Jay520 on 19 January 2012

I hear ya Toadslayer. Though I'm not going to see a professional though, that was mainy a joke. I'm not crazy or anything. And besides, I think I'd have fun analyzing myself on my own...if that makes any sense.



thismeintiel on 19 January 2012

I went looking for the vid on the web, since Youtube keeps taking the vid down.  What I found was much worse.  From 2009, also from Chicago.

http://www.breitbart.tv/graphic-video-shows-beating-death-of-chicago-honors-student/



 

toadslayer72 on 20 January 2012
Jay520 said:
I hear ya Toadslayer. Though I'm not going to see a professional though, that was mainy a joke. I'm not crazy or anything. And besides, I think I'd have fun analyzing myself on my own...if that makes any sense.

Well IMO, if you are the type to analyze yourself objectively, then I think you'd find therapy to be bullshit anyway. 



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