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the big bang theory could mean something else. lol



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EdHieron said:
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spurgeonryan said:

Why can't Christian's accept Evolution?

Actually, I think mostly all Christians in the western world do accept evolution. The Catholic Church also officially accepts evolution.

The Christians who do not accept evolution, don't accept it for the same reason that any non-Christian who don't believe evolution wouldn't accept it - it is a matter of not being educated about evolution. I would say that nearly 100% of (if not all) liberal Christians accept evolution - I also think that the majority of Christians in the western world are liberal Christians.

I also feel that the atheist perception that all Christians don't accept evolution is a product of neo-atheist prejudice/ignorance.

It seems as if  that you've not spent much time in the United States (especially the Southern Parts) where 70% of the Christians believe in the Literal Truth of The Bible and reject the notion of Evolution being taught in schools.


it seems southeast america =  world

If you live there it is.  But one also has to take into account that the US is the most powerful nation on earth and its policies are shaped to a large extent by the 70% of Fundamantalists that live there.  For example, if Obamaisn't re-elected in November, then he's probably going to be replaced by a wannabe Theocrat with a heavy interest in supporting wars in the Middle East stemming from his religion.


American involvement in middle east doesn't have the first thing to do with religion at all whatsoever. Especially not in Iraq


America's involvement in the Middle East has a tremendous amount to do with religion.  Why do you think that America donates so much money to Israel for weapons instead of working to help them compromise with the Palestinians?  It's because there is a huge lobby in this country ( the US ) that believes the story in Revelations is a historical event that is going to occur in the immenent future. 

You are very ignorant on the subject. If America was intersted in Israel only because of religion, they would just annex the land and make Israel a christian controlled country, like crusaders did,instead of just aiding the jews. Also Israel and US showed that they want compromise more than palestinian side



spurgeonryan said:
MrBubbles said:
plenty of christians believe in evolution and the big bang theory.


Come on now! Most kids growing up in a religous home get taught many things, one of them is that Evolution is wrong!

 

I am sure there are some Christians who believe that, but I assure you a majority refuse to!

Isn't this the answer to your question?



@thranx

The Webster definition of the scientific theory is simply inadequate, that provided on the Wikipedia is far more accurate and comprehensive. I encourage you to read the articles that I provided, they really can help clarify things a lot more than reading opinions posted on any forum. I apologize for being condescending but it bothers me when people use such a simplistic definition of the scientific theory and simply reiterate the same point repeatedly.



mhsillen said:

Do not call me ignorant god dammit, got it. I have never seen proof that this actually happened. The darwin theories are believe are yesterdays news.  I can't express the words to detail the minute chance even with all the years you add. The chances are so small that it would be in the mathematically  impossible category.  Evolution is a religion as much as bible based religion is. 

The complexity and wonder of the earth appears to me that it had a super intelligent scientific mind. It does make sense.  And I will say again do not call me ignorant because insults care not proof of anything

But this waaay more complex being which created the universe, didn't need a creator... Hmm, no, doesn't really make sense!



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Jay520 said:
spurgeonryan said:
MrBubbles said:
plenty of christians believe in evolution and the big bang theory.


Come on now! Most kids growing up in a religous home get taught many things, one of them is that Evolution is wrong!

 

I am sure there are some Christians who believe that, but I assure you a majority refuse to!

Isn't this the answer to your question?


Are you ignoring this post?



I am a Christian and went to Catholic school. There I was taught all about evolution and the Big Bang. I am left to wonder why some atheists think that Christians reject science on principle, but then again there are still some Americans who think I live in an igloo just because I'm Canadian.



People fear anything that challenges their faith.

I for one, am a Christian who believes in science. Big bang? check. Evolution? check. Global warming? check.

I don't take every story in the Old Testament as literal truth. Jesus told many parables, I see the creation story along those lines. Thousands of years ago, there's no way big bang or evolution would fly (as scientific observations were limited by cultural and technological development), so we had creation stories. It's that simple.

Sadly, many people cannot reconcile what they've been told is the truth, with the reality we are presented with. They form an alternate reality for themselves, coming up with explanations and rationalizations for their reality, much like conspiracy theorists. If they would learn to think for themselves, and not blindly believe what people have told them for years, they could see the world for what it is -- and faith and religion most certainly do have a place in this world. There's no reason one can't be a devout Christian and believe in the findings of science.

I see science, and the universe, with all its mysteries and secrets, as a great gift to man. Rather than shun this gift, we should embrace it and enjoy it. The universe is a fascinating and amazing place, nobody should let archaic ideas from centuries long past ruin that.



mhsillen said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
mhsillen said:
I look at it that the creator is a powerful scientific being. He is not some mystical being. He uses scientific laws to create and if it was the big bang he used then so be it. But whatever you believe it is never wise to ignore other ideas contrary to your beliefs. It is not absurd to look at living things and think these are so complicated it must of been planned and built by a intelligent being.

It sounds like the sharks are adapting not turning into geese. Adaptation happens all the time.

Liked your post until I read that, makes you sound a little ignorant. You have to consider those small adaptions accumulating over the space of billions of years.  And even if you personally can't visualize it, it's been well supported by the fossil record and confirmed by DNA sequencing. Not specifically "sharks turning into geese" ofcourse but macro-evolution as a whole.

Do not call me ignorant god dammit, got it. I have never seen proof that this actually happened. The darwin theories are believe are yesterdays news.  I can't express the words to detail the minute chance even with all the years you add. The chances are so small that it would be in the mathematically  impossible category.  Evolution is a religion as much as bible based religion is. 

The complexity and wonder of the earth appears to me that it had a super intelligent scientific mind. It does make sense.  And I will say again do not call me ignorant because insults care not proof of anything

 

I didn't call you ignorant to insult you, it simply means lacking knowledge, Sorry. I'm ignorant about British politics, I'm not insulting myself, just saying I don't know much about British politics. You are ignorant about evolution, bloody accept it and stop making false claims about the theory or educate yourself about it before making those claims. "I have never seen proof that this actually happened" -  Well first of all, there's no scientific evidence of a deity existing, so it's quite contradictory that you reject macro-evolution based on lack of evidence (which there isn't) and secondly, here's plenty of evidence for macro-evolution: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

"Evolution is a religion as much as bible based religion is" xD 

I don't care if you think the universe has a "super intelligent scientific mind" behind it, that's off-topic and I didn't protest that belief.



spurgeonryan said:


Huh? I'm trying to discuss it. I told some guy he seems ignorant on this topic, he took it badly, he got argumentative. I didn't mean to be insulting. What's the problem?