Im really tired of hearing about live. I've used both. They both offer the same thing. One isn't better than the other. But some how MS has made you beilve this and that's the only thing Live has over PSN. It's funy people say this but eveyrthing live offers is free every where else. MS is a nickel and dime company and they always will be.

I second this but you know what I buy live anyways just because my firneds have it. And I always get it for sub $35. The real idiots are the ones who pay $60 for it.

Can't be done at this point. Momentum is with 360

Now, how it could be done, there are two points

1) Release PS4 before NextBox
2) Try to make exclusives with better mass appeal. Sony still doesn't have anything as ubiquitous as Halo, let alone as broadly powerful as Nintendo's games.

And that's an understandable reason to keep paying for it. If all my friends where on live,  I'd pay for it to. Thankfully my game friends now game on PSN over live. It's pretty sad you can't even use a subscription service like Netflix without first having a live membership. Things like that just rub me the wrong way.

I really think thats the least of thier concerns, but calling something stupid and gay without first explaining why just makes you sound immature. How old are you?

I'm American and I take offense to that. GTFO.

I don't know why it matters. PS3 already beat the 360 in the past 2 years with just europe and asia. Even if the PS3 gains popularity in America it will just dominate the 360. I like that the 360 has sold more WW. It'll be even sweeter when the PS3 overtakes the 360. call me a fanboy if you like, but when it DOES happen I'll make a thread about it=]

Not just that but, most definitely together with the ps2 emulater it once had, 4 usb ports, sd card ports etc.

Just because you have exclusives doesnt mean they are worth peoples attention. For 2011 PS3 had Uncharted 3. Every, and I mean every other 2011 exclusive was a "meh" to the masses, regardless of critical acclaim. Sony never got a mascot that rivals Master Chief or Mario in sales. Sales equals relevance, pop culture status, brand recognition.

Kinect is now a game changer. Voice commanding your media is seen as trendy and convenient. Casuals and core gamers use Kinect when hosting parties. 360 is a core gamers console (since most 3rd party games sell better) and now its seen as the peoples console. 

Sony, like everyone says, still primarily appeals to the core. You cant win if your seen as a "sausage fest" console, not a mass market one, regardless of pricing or exclusives. 

And you have no claim that PS3 has more bang for the buck on quality. Quality is subjective. For me, 360 is beter in quality because I prefer the best online, my friends all game on it, I like getting multiplats and DLC before PS3, and their exclusives, while fewer in number, interest me as a gamer far more then the dime a dozen PS3 exclusives. 

The PS3 won't outsell the Xbox 360 in North America this generation.

Whether people like to believe it or not, Microsoft with Kinect have bridged the casual market with the Xbox 360. Had they not done so, had Microsoft not come out with a motion control system or came out with one similar to the Wii, then the story would be different.

With the PS4 Sony is going to have to bridge the casual gamer market, as well as match Microsoft 1:1 technology wise. Kinect has brought to the table a "Wow!" factor that Move simply has not matched. It may not be the better gaming peripheral of the two, but Kinect offers a better experience for those wanting to navigate the UI via voice or gesture controls.

You can argue against this all you like. The reality is that since the release of the Xbox 360 S and the subsequent Kinect release a few months later, the Xbox 360 has had nothing but sales wins. The only thing that Microsoft did significantly different from Sony was Kinect. So whether you like it or not, next generation Sony has to address what Microsoft did with Kinect on the Xbox 360 and match that, or do one even better otherwise it'll come across as "meh".