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VGKing said:
Well most of those new studios are working on unannounced games. Its unlikely they'll be releasing any games on the 360. They're probably gearing up for the Xbox 720 launch. Which brings the question, how long till Xbox 720? Microsofts 1st party lineup is already really barren.(just take a look at this years releases, only 1 AAA first party game) Next year will be even worse.

3rd party support is basically the same as PS3.

Why is the Xbox 360 having such an amazing year sales-wise when their exclusives are far in between?
People could buy a PS3 and get the same exact experience.


so only one aaa exclusive is worse than minimum one aaa exclusive which is one of the most succesful series of the present? or did  you mean third party as well because then ps3 will be worse as well so that wouldn't make any diifference.



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I guess I am being a little pessimistic, I just don't see all this expansion as really benefiting us big budget gamers much. Its great to see Microsoft investing more but its really not enough to truly produce the high end first party content say Nintendo provides and arguably Sony. Though 360 proves you don't need the high end first party exclusives to sell hardware.

Can't wait to see the launch line up for the Next Box though. 4 years of development should mean a very good and impressive line-up. Any fewer then 5 killer apps from first party Microsoft and I will be very disappointed!



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer

 

Seece said:

Lionhead working on a NON Fable game? Hell has frozen over!!!

I think they should buy Ruffian, beef it up there, and give them more dev time. Crackdown was competant but C2 sucked (mainly cos it had like 7 month dev time) so I think they're capable of a great game, nothing AAA though ...

Remedy, no brainer for me .... also Harmonix. And Double Fine. All other ones they should buy.

Ruffian developing a Microsft publish game,but not sure will it be Crackdown 3(still throwing money for this ip?pretty wired for MS)



VGKing said:
Well most of those new studios are working on unannounced games. Its unlikely they'll be releasing any games on the 360. They're probably gearing up for the Xbox 720 launch. Which brings the question, how long till Xbox 720? Microsofts 1st party lineup is already really barren.(just take a look at this years releases, only 1 AAA first party game) Next year will be even worse.

3rd party support is basically the same as PS3.

Why is the Xbox 360 having such an amazing year sales-wise when their exclusives are far in between?
People could buy a PS3 and get the same exact experience.

Actually it's pretty obvious why the 360 is selling more, it's because of Kinect, them have more big selling limited edition consoles, more exclusives than the PS3 and more advertising (at least in the US) So it does make sense when you actually think about it.



Lol... on thiese forums, no matter what MS does, it's alway bad. People shouldn't over praise exclusives like they're the only games worth playing. Most of the games I play are multi except for the Kinect ones, Halo and Forza, I don't see what the competition can do better if I'm going to play the same games.

On topic, it's a good thing to see MS gearing up for next gen by building a stronger first party dev team. I wish they stayed with Bizarre, I'm starting to miss the PGR series.



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but why is it good if you don't need first party games? you will play the same games so you don't need 100 exclusives!



Joelcool7 said:

Despite their major investments a lot of the studios you mentioned are expected to be smaller studios. 60 man studios are not big enough to create a major AAA block buster title efficiently. You need a bigger team to deliver such a high quality title in such a short period of time. Rare has roughly 200 developers and they haven't made a big AAA game in years, with that big team and even bigger in the past it still took them years to deliver high caliber software. LionHead also has hundreds of staff.

Lets face it these new studios aren't going to be bringing us the next Gears or Halo. If they have less then a hundred employees in total the best we can expect are casual based cheaply made software.

MGS Vancouver looks promising though and so do some of those mentioned. But many are not indications at all that we will see amazing games coming to Nex-Box. At least not to many more then usual.

Actually scratch that considering Microsoft began next generation software development in 2008, expect their to be a massive wave of high quality software for launch of the NextBox. But it won't be completely due to these guys.

Remedy have about 40? Alan Wake certainly isn't a cheaply casual game. You really have pulled nothing from thin air t(yet again)

I doubt any studio has been working on an actual game for the 720, for what will be 5 years.



 

VGKing said:
Well most of those new studios are working on unannounced games. Its unlikely they'll be releasing any games on the 360. They're probably gearing up for the Xbox 720 launch. Which brings the question, how long till Xbox 720? Microsofts 1st party lineup is already really barren.(just take a look at this years releases, only 1 AAA first party game) Next year will be even worse.

3rd party support is basically the same as PS3.

Why is the Xbox 360 having such an amazing year sales-wise when their exclusives are far in between?
People could buy a PS3 and get the same exact experience.

I think it's pretty obvious it's Kinect, but not only that, exclusives don't have anywhere near the selling power people think they do. Sony could have sold nearly exactly the same amount of PS3's this year as they have without Resistance, LBP2, Killzone 3, Ico Collection, Ratchet and Socom.



 

crissindahouse said:

but why is it good if you don't need first party games? you will play the same games so you don't need 100 exclusives!


Simply because of Kinect. MS has to lead the way with Kinect development if they want the other devs to follow with quality. It doesn't matter to me weather the game is exclusive or not if it's a good game it's a good game. Gears is not a better game because it's exclusive to 360 and Mass Effect didn't downgrade in quality because it went to PS3. When I read comments about games being less apealing because they turn multi I just think people are idiots for thinking that way.



Jazz2K said:
Lol... on thiese forums, no matter what MS does, it's alway bad. People shouldn't over praise exclusives like they're the only games worth playing. Most of the games I play are multi except for the Kinect ones, Halo and Forza, I don't see what the competition can do better if I'm going to play the same games.

On topic, it's a good thing to see MS gearing up for next gen by building a stronger first party dev team. I wish they stayed with Bizarre, I'm starting to miss the PGR series.


It is typically the exclusives that sell the hardware. You yourself mention Halo and Forza, they obviously played a role in you purchasing a 360. Live also makes every game on 360 unique as it offers an experiance not found on PS3, at least not the same.

As for the comment about Remedy, development of Alan Wake began in 2005 as far as we know, actually it is believed to have begun as early as 2004. They released the game five years later in 2010, that is with a team of forty, could a team of 60 produce an Alan Wake caliber title within a year or two? Hell no, not without a ton of existing resources and external help.

Look the improvements are great but not good enough to produce as much or as high quality software as their leading competitors! Yes with help from Epic and Crytek and such they could do very well exclusive wise but their existing first party studios simply can't bring as much high quality software to the table.

As for development, its not a theory its a fact. Development on software for the next generation Xbox began in 2008. At least that is what Microsoft said in their job listings, not a rumor that was Microsoft themselves. Saying they haven't been making software since 2008 is to suggest Microsoft was lying. How many staff members were working on games is unclear but they have been working on them since 2008, at least one.



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer