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Forums - Sales Discussion - I Believe Xbox 360 Will Be The #1 Selling Current Gen Console WW in 2012 - Updated April PS3 Lead 842K

 

What do you believe in?

yes X-box will sell the most 89 22.82%
 
nope PS3 will get it 234 60.00%
 
idk it will be close 37 9.49%
 
Wii will win both 2011 and 12 30 7.69%
 
Total:390

Never thought I'd see a positive 360 thread from BHR, I've been lurking for few years before joining and I must say - the old BHR I remember would bet his entire fortune on PS3.

Personally, I don't know how it'll go if there is a price cut, the MW bundle, the Halo bundle - big boosts coming up.

Also and as long as there is no announcement of the successor during 2012, the sales should peak even higher than they are now, provided price cut is applied. If the next xbox is announced, then no way.



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Mummelmann said:
I believe the 3DS will. Honestly.


Isn't 3DS next-gen though? I think he meant out of PSP, DS, Wii, PS3 and 360



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Doesn't really seem feasible. A price cut wouldn't really do a whole lot for 360 as saturation in Americas sets in. Similar to the non-existent effects of the DS price cut in 2010 and Wii price cut this year. There's room for growth in Europe but as we can see from the practically non-existent effect of the price cuts in Spain and Australia price isn't MS's problem in PAL, it's brand recognition. The Japan landscape won't really change a whole lot, Famitsu projected PS3 sales to be about flat or only slightly down next year. The only major factor I can think of that might have an impact would be whether or not Sony cut price again next year. They said that they're still selling at a profit at $250 and IIRC they'll be moving to the 22nm process next year, so they might be able to do it without going into the red again. But then again they probably want to get as big of a margin as they can to maximize profits. They only way I can see 360 pulling a victory is if they aggressively start expanding into new markets, and if Sony don't.



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well i've had some time to think about it since my last post and now i think its not impossible but as it has been pointed out history has repeated its self time and time again this gen.

its not likely to happen but it will be very close considering several factors. i'm very interested in hearing what Sucker Punch, Guerrilla games, Sony Santa monica, and Quantic Dreams new ip.

now if all those dev's release there new games next yr. along with the 10 i've counted already then 2012 will be an interesting yr. indeed.

maybe Sony thinks they can release KZ4 during the 2012 holiday season lol.



I do think 360 will win 2012, why you may ask? Well first I think an early $50 price cut on Kinect will happen around Feb.-March to give the 360 a short boost. Next, Star Wars Kinect release along with the Bundle will give it a slight boost. Then at E3 MS will drop the console price by $100. Halo 4 bundle and next COD bundle will give a huge boost. Along with exclusive list consisting of Halo 4, Fable Journey, Ryse, Witcher 2, will push it over the Ps3 and Wii.

Now I could be wrong because after all this is a prediction, but I'm sure atleast two of these things will happen.



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Halo 4 and COD bundles always move substantial amount of consoles, however only that is not enough to boost it over PS3, a price cut is definitely needed and would probably be a good incentive to upgrade on the oldbox to replace it with a slim.



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Nope not gonna happen

PS3 has too many exclusives,
PS3 will also have a price cut next year
PS3 is really strengthened its position in JAPAN and EMEAA this year


Though 360 could have a smaller gap than this year with
the price cut
and HALO4.
Also GTA 5 will give 360 some boost



snakenobi said:
Nope not gonna happen

PS3 has too many exclusives,
PS3 will also have a price cut next year
PS3 is really strengthened its position in JAPAN and EMEAA this year


Though 360 could have a smaller gap than this year with
the price cut
and HALO4.
Also GTA 5 will give 360 some boost

Which exclusives? Sure the last guardian is gonna be great (if it even comes out next year) but it wont move consoles. 360 is gonna see similar sales to a COD week when Halo 4 comes. What makes you say PS3 is gonna have a price drop? It did this year, so i don't think it will the next year, but 360 definitely will. Also if PS3 would not have lowered its price, 360 would have outsold it this year, it still can actually, but its unlikely.

360 is not gonna outsell the 3DS i think though. But it most likely is gonna outsell the PS3 in 2012.



Slimebeast said:

Wow you never cease to surprise with your prophecies BHR.

I disagree. I believe Xbox 360 will be slumping next year and hit 11 million (still quite good), especially when theres so many rumors about a Nextbox.


What most people dont know though is the Xbox 360 has outsold itself every year.. so every year its sold better then it did the year before..  ( see recent Nov 2011 article here ... fact #14 ... http://www.vgchartz.com/article/88468/xbox-10-years-of-fun/    ) .. So even when you look at the great sales of the other consoles.. The Xbox  360 is doing something the PS3 isn't.. #1 Making a profit OVERALL this generation.. The PS3 lost 12 Billion overall.. and recently losses were at 300 million for the recent quarter because someone decided to lower the price ( I wonder if this guy got fired ).. Sony is  selling more consoles at a price -  losing money - something the PS2 NEVER did.. Stockholders want to get away from the PS3 as it is a money loser... Where as M$ is making deposits in the bank with the 360.. #2 -  Xbox 360 is proving it is a gaming machine..  the PS3 is selling so well, yet again with the release of Oblivion Skyrim and COD MW4 we are AGAIN reminded 360 owns PS3 in big title multi-plat releases..  Actually none of PS3's exclusives have outsold MS exclusives either... PS3 fans often try and say " But the PS3 isn't a FPS console" .. Hilarious when you ignore the Fact that the PS3's best selling titles are ALL First Person Shooters.. ( Go check out the top 4 ).. then you get the argument well "We have so much variety".. and the 360 does too.. I think its funny to see the PS3 so close to the 360 in worldwide userbase... but if you go into software sales the picture is quite different...

I think it'll be close sales-wise.. I dont think the Next Xbox will be released next year because Halo 4 has been in development over a year in order to be releasing Dec 2012 .. I doubt its being developed on the Next Gen Xbox console already ( this would mean the console was ready over a year ago ) ...I think they will make the "official" announcement in 2012 that it will be released in 2013.

As I said the 360 is outselling what it did last year.. just as last year it outsold what it did year before.. etc..etc.. As long as the Xbox is selling well - they will follow the business model of supply and demand.. In other WORDS - They will keep selling something people still want.. Just as Sony did with the PS2..



mundus6 said:

Which exclusives? Sure the last guardian is gonna be great (if it even comes out next year) but it wont move consoles.

FFXIII Versus
AGENT
God of War 4
Another Game - Santa Monica
Sorcery
New game - Guerilla games
Another Game - Guerilla games second studio
Twisted Metal - Eat Sleep Play
New game - Media Molecule(LBP developer)
Infraworld - Quantic Dream(Heavy Rain developer)
Horizon - Quantic Dream(Heavy Rain developer)
StarHawk
Sly Cooper 4
The Last Guardian

VITA PS3 Dual Games(dual play games on VITA and PS3 could excite audiences)
MGS Rising(This will help PS3 alot)
FFXIII-2 will also help PS3 a bit too

Other Games that won't matter much but are exclusives:

Yakuza Dead Souls for NA and EMEAA
Tales of Xillia for NA and EMEAA
Tales of Graces for NA and EMEAA
Dust514 -EVE Online for PS3

And Don't forget:

KOJIMA making MGS5 and another new game

ROCKSTAR who still have to complete their 3 exclusives they promised SONYto get out of GTA4 exclusivity of PS3.(AGENT is one,other 2 exclusives could be a game or DLC exclusives to Max Payne and GTA5)

PS3 will definetly have more exclusives because of more exclusives will be decided for JAPAN and SONY will announce above unnamed games and more.

 

I agree many of the games like you said,the last guardian and many of the above games won't matter much in HW but it builds up an exclusive catalog which is very important when a person goes to buy a consoles,they see which has more uniques aka exclusives.

PS3 will surely have more exclusives of all 3 as Ninty is concentrating on WiiU and SONY has alot studios that its purchased in recent years.MS has a lack of first party studios

 

360 is gonna see similar sales to a COD week when Halo 4 comes.

sure but that is just a week and PS3 will see them too when PS3 big exclusives come out so they cancel out each other and PS3 might just do more as it has more exclusives aka more exclusive release HW boost

plus the fact that on normal days PS3 sells more when there is no exclusives

and don't forget that HALO 4 will be the Sixth HALO in this generation and HALO popularity has gone down as 360 shooter fans now have COD which is a bigger brand

What makes you say PS3 is gonna have a price drop? It did this year, so i don't think it will the next year, but 360 definitely will.

I think so as PS3 is still very high priced,hell its priced as high as Wii when it launched at $250 and still been able to rack up so many sales

if you have followed PS3's price reduction and SONY's price cutting strategy,you will know that they could have cut $100 this year as they have reduced costs significantly with Die reduction,CPU and GPU size reduction,power supply and fan size reduction and PS3's expensive components like blu-ray's price dropping and still profit but they didn't as MS wasn't gonna make  move

So they will make one next year to counter 360's pricecut

Also the fact that Next generation is started,what do you expect the PS3 to be priced at $250 with WiiU launching in $250-350 range.

both 360 and PS3 will have most probably only $50 price-cuts next year  as they don't have to cut much to compete as they are both fine and if they want to continue PS3 and 360 till 2014-2015,they will need additional pricecuts even after next year.Both MS and SONY have said they want to continue their systems that long.Also the fact that they are a business who still wanna earn back profits,they don't think like fans just to beat each other out

MS has already achieved their target to get XBOX near the PLAYSTATION brand's sales.They doing anything may it be exclusives or price-cuts will not help them much more this generation.They will try to recoup as much loss and start preparing for next generation

Also if PS3 would not have lowered its price, 360 would have outsold it this year, it still can actually, but its unlikely.

360 is not gonna outsell the 3DS i think though. But it most likely is gonna outsell the PS3 in 2012.

what does that have to do with 360 vs PS3 2011 when this thread is about next years sales

nobody knows what would have happened as it would have been a totally different future if PS3 didn't have have a pricecut this year


the comment shows with what thinking you are debating,i am not interested in this console war thing.Please take this sort of discussion to somebody else