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For those here who are confused as to the facts brought forth thus far.

 

1969: Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career as defensive line coach at Penn State.

1977: Sandusky starts The Second Mile, a foundation to help at-risk children. Its website states that Second Mile is a “statewide non-profit organization for children who need additional support and who would benefit from positive human contact.”

1994: Victim 7 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at about the age of 10.

1994-95: Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at Second Mile picnic when he was 7 or 8.

1995-96: Boy known as Victim 5 meets Sandusky through Second Mile when he is 7 or 8.

1996-97: Boy known as Victim 4, age 12 or 13, meets Sandusky in Second Mile program.

1998: According to the grand jury report, an 11-year-old boy’s mother called university police to complain after finding out her son had showered with Sandusky. A state Department of Public Welfare investigator told the grand jury that Sandusky had showered with the boy (Victim 6) and hugged him and “admitted that it was wrong” and promised to not shower with the boy again. The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

1999: Sandusky retires after learning he will not be the successor to Joe Paterno. Sandusky holds emeritus status.

Summer of 2000: Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

Fall of 2000: According to the grand jury report, another boy (Victim 8), age 11 to 13, was seen by a janitor, Jim Calhoun, pinned against a wall while Sandusky performed oral sex on him. Calhoun was described as “upset and crying” over what he’d seen, another person testified. Calhoun tells his supervisor, Jay Witherite and other staff members. Witherite tells Calhoun, a temporary employee, who to report the incident to, but Calhoun never files a report.

March 1, 2002: Mike McQueary, then a graduate assistant and now the receivers coach and recruiting coordinator, saw a naked boy (Victim 2) with his hands against the wall in the shower area of the locker room at the Lasch Football Building on the University Park Campus as Sandusky subjected him to anal sex, according to the grand jury report. McQueary told the grand jury that Sandusky and the boy both noticed him. McQueary went to his office and called his father, who told him to leave the building and come to his home.

— The next morning (Saturday), McQueary called Paterno and went to Paterno’s house and reported to the coach what he had witnessed.

— The next day (Sunday), Paterno called athletic director Tim Curley to his home and reported that McQueary told him that he had seen Sandusky in the showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.

— About a week and a half later, McQueary was called to a meeting with Curley and vice president of finance and business, Gary Schultz. He reported what he had seen and was told they would look into it. Paterno was not at that meeting.

— A couple of weeks after that, McQueary was contacted by Curley, who told him that Sandusky’s keys to the locker room were taken away and the incident reported to The Second Mile. Curley advised school president Graham Spanier of the information he’d received and the steps taken as a result. Spanier testified of his approval of the approach taken by Curley. The incident was not reported to the University Police or any other police agency.

2005-06: Boy known as Victim 1 meets Sandusky at The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

2008: Sandusky was a full-time volunteer coach at a Clinton County high school. Steven Turchetta was the assistant principal and head football coach at the school attended by Victim 1. Turchetta became aware of Victim 1’s allegations after the boy’s mother called the school to report it. Sandusky is barred from the school district and the matter was reported to the authorities as mandated by law.

2008: Sandusky told The Second Mile that he was being investigated on allegations of sexual assault in Clinton County.

2009: The Pennsylvania attorney general begins an investigation when a Clinton County teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period.

Sept. 2010: Sandusky retires from The Second Mile.

Nov. 5: Sandusky is charged with sexually assaulting eight boys over a 15-year period. Among the allegations, a graduate assistant—McQueary—saw Sandusky assault a boy in the shower at the Penn State practice center in 2002. Sandusky is released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts, including charges of multiple counts of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, corruption of minors, endangering the welfare of a child, indecent assault and unlawful contact with a minor.

— Spanier gives his support for Curley and Schultz, saying “I have known and worked daily with Tim and Gary for more than 16 years. I have complete confidence in how they handled the allegations about a former university employee.”

— Curley and Schultz are charged with perjury after being accused of failing to alert police, as required by state law, of the investigation into the allegations against Sandusky. Paterno is not charged. In a grand jury testimony, Schultz told jurors he was aware of a 1998 investigation involving sexually inappropriate behavior by Sandusky with a boy in the showers at the Penn State athletic facility. Jurors wrote that Schultz “never sought or received a police report on the 1998 incident and never attempted to learn the identity of the child in the shower in 2002.” Part of Schultz’s job is overseeing campus police.

Nov. 6: In a statement issued by his son, Scott, Paterno said, “The fact that someone we thought we knew might have harmed young people to this extent is deeply troubling. If this is true we were all fooled, along with scores of professionals trained in such things, and we grieve for the victims and their families. They are in our prayers.”

Paterno added, “It was obvious the witness (McQueary) was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand jury report. Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at the time, I referred the matter to university administrators.

— Curley stepped down, requesting to be placed on administrative leave so he could use the time to defend himself against perjury and other charges, Spanier announced after an emergency meeting of the Board of Trustees. Schultz also stepped down.

The resignations of Paterno and Spanier were not discussed at the meeting.

Nov. 7: Curley and Schultz appear in a Harrisburg, Pa., courtroom, where a judge set bail at $75,000. They were not required to enter pleas.

— At a press conference held by Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly and state police commissioner Frank Noonan, Kelly says that Paterno is not a target of the investigation of how Penn State handled the accusations but stopped short of saying the same for Spanier.

— On Paterno meeting his legal requirement to report suspected abuse, Noonan says, “somebody has to question about what I would consider the moral requirements for a human being that knows of sexual things that are taking place with a child.”

Nov. 8: Joe Paterno’s weekly news conference is canceled, setting off a firestorm of criticism from media nationwide. Paterno’s son, Scott, said Spanier canceled it, not Paterno. He also stated that a New York Times report that preparations were being discussed for Paterno’s exit as coach was premature.

— A potential ninth victim contacted authorities after seeing media accounts of Sandusky’s arrest, The Patriot-News of Harrisburg, Pa., reported.

— Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett said he plans to attend Friday’s meeting of the Penn State Board of Trustees, along with three Cabinet members.

— U.S. Rep. Patrick Meehan said he’s asking Education Secretary Arne Duncan to look into whether Penn State violated the Clery Act, which requires colleges and universities to prepare, publish and distribute an annual security report disclosing all criminal offenses reported to campus security or local police.

— Senate Majority Leader Dominic Pileggi, along with The Patriot-News and Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, called for Spanier to resign.

— Sandusky’s preliminary hearing scheduled for Wednesday is delayed until Dec. 7.

— The Centre Daily Times reports that Sandusky has been barred from being alone with his grandchildren under a temporary order on behalf of three children.

— Penn State students congregate on Paterno’s lawn in a show of support for the 84-year-old coach. Paterno briefly addresses the students, telling them to pray for the victims.

— The Board of Trustees releases a statement, saying it is “outraged by the horrifying details contained in the Grand Jury Report.” It also states that at Friday’s meeting, the Board will appoint a Special Committee to investigate the circumstances that “gave rise to the Grand Jury Report.”

Nov. 9: Paterno announces that he will retire at the end of the season. “This is a tragedy. It is one of the greatest sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more,” he said.

The Express-Times of Easton, Pa., reported that a person close to the Board of Trustees said Spanier will resign or be voted out by the end of the day.

 

Spanier and Paterno are fired.

4,000-5,000 idiotic student riot for all the wrong reasons and should be absolutely embarassed, as should the school.

 

 

By the way, if you want to hear how dumb these students can be, just take a listen to this. I heard it this morning on my way to work. It is an interview with a female student from PennState who works on the schools radio station and is studying to be a journalist. I absolutely shudderd at the thought of her being allowed to continue her pursuit in the field and honestly hope she learned a valuable lesson today.

The name of the show is the Boomer and Carton show on 660AM WFAN, where Craig Carton blasts this girl while Boomer Esiason listens in and gives his thoughts along the way.

It really is something to behold.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.podtrac.com%2Fpts%2Fredirect.mp3%2Fnyc.podcast.play.it%2Fmedia%2Fd0%2Fd0%2Fd0%2FdZ%2Fd7%2FdN%2Fd6%2FZ7N6_3.MP3%3Fauthtok%3D5561611628255727927_hSx1c3iyQ1ndkLLvtFBYfEzFU&podcast_name=Karisa+Maxwell&podcast_artist=Boomer+Esiason+and+Craig+Carton&station_id=91&tag=&dcid=CBS.NY



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superchunk said:
badgenome said:
superchunk said:
MrBubbles said:
can someone tell me how old these children were? the news keeps saying "young children" which suggests to me under 12...but this is a university where these took place


The one that directly deals with this OP is a 10yr old boy that Joe Paterno actually saw Sandusky having sex with. That is why Peterno deserves to be fired and arrested IMO.

Paterno didn't see it. Mike McQueary did.


ooops guess I read that wrong somewhere... I knew someone saw and told their boss. I guess the 'boss' was Paterno.

Still rest of my point stands... Paterno and McQueary deserve legal penalties for not reporting it to police.

There is some point at which you have to trust your superiors to make the right decision, although i imagine McQueary might have figured out that either Paterno or whoever the hell Paterno reported to didn't tell when nothing came of it

The lower down you go on the hierarchy, the more ambiguous these questions of moral accountability become



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Euphoria14 said:

By the way, if you want to hear how dumb these students can be, just take a listen to this. I heard it this morning on my way to work. It is an interview with a female student from PennState who works on the schools radio station and is studying to be a journalist. I absolutely shudderd at the thought of her being allowed to continue her pursuit in the field and honestly hope she learned a valuable lesson today.

The name of the show is the Boomer and Carton show on 660AM WFAN, where Craig Carton blasts this girl while Boomer Esiason listens in and gives his thoughts along the way.

It really is something to behold.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.podtrac.com%2Fpts%2Fredirect.mp3%2Fnyc.podcast.play.it%2Fmedia%2Fd0%2Fd0%2Fd0%2FdZ%2Fd7%2FdN%2Fd6%2FZ7N6_3.MP3%3Fauthtok%3D5561611628255727927_hSx1c3iyQ1ndkLLvtFBYfEzFU&podcast_name=Karisa+Maxwell&podcast_artist=Boomer+Esiason+and+Craig+Carton&station_id=91&tag=&dcid=CBS.NY

I don't see the problem. Yeah, she's a dumb cunt, but so are 99% of other journalists. She has a great career ahead of her, just as long as she stays that mind-bogglingly stupid.



Mr Khan said:

There is some point at which you have to trust your superiors to make the right decision, although i imagine McQueary might have figured out that either Paterno or whoever the hell Paterno reported to didn't tell when nothing came of it

The lower down you go on the hierarchy, the more ambiguous these questions of moral accountability become


I don't care where on the hierarchy I am... if I saw it I would have immediately called the police. I wouldn't have thought one second about the legacy of anyone or the school. Certain things are WAY beyond any of that.

Its not like he was caught stealing office equipment... he was molesting a 10yr old child.



Mr Khan said:
superchunk said:
badgenome said:
superchunk said:
MrBubbles said:
can someone tell me how old these children were? the news keeps saying "young children" which suggests to me under 12...but this is a university where these took place


The one that directly deals with this OP is a 10yr old boy that Joe Paterno actually saw Sandusky having sex with. That is why Peterno deserves to be fired and arrested IMO.

Paterno didn't see it. Mike McQueary did.


ooops guess I read that wrong somewhere... I knew someone saw and told their boss. I guess the 'boss' was Paterno.

Still rest of my point stands... Paterno and McQueary deserve legal penalties for not reporting it to police.

There is some point at which you have to trust your superiors to make the right decision, although i imagine McQueary might have figured out that either Paterno or whoever the hell Paterno reported to didn't tell when nothing came of it

The lower down you go on the hierarchy, the more ambiguous these questions of moral accountability become

Not reporting a crime you witnessed or are aware of is illegal.



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I don't like that the media is using Paterno is a shield for Sandusky. There's more outrage over hime than the actual molestations.



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ClaudeLv250 said:
I don't like that the media is using Paterno is a shield for Sandusky. There's more outrage over hime than the actual molestations.

That's always the way. It's never the original scandal so much as the ensuing cover up. A lone pervert can be anywhere, but the fact that there are respected people who cover for him - whether out of loyalty to him or in a misguided attempt to preserve the image of the institution - is what's truly shocking. Besides, Sandusky is done. He's going away for life, whereas Paterno and Spanier would still be there if not for the firestorm even though they allowed him to continue in his sexual predations for about a decade after they became aware of them.



I'm not going to say that either side is right in this case because it depends heavily on Joe Paterno's side of the story, which he hasn't told yet ...

What we know is that Joe Paterno was told by one of his coaches that he witnessed another coach abusing a child, and then Joe Paterno informed his superior of this incident. While Joe Paterno should have gone to the police, I don't believe he was trying to cover it up, and it is plausible that he believed his superior was going to handle the police and begin an investigation. Regardless of this, the coach who witnessed the abuse had an obligation to report it to the police.

While I can see the justification of firing Joe Paterno, I don't understand how either the athletic director or the coach who witnessed the abuse still have their jobs; because, as far as I can tell, their obligations were far more clear than Paterno's were and were certainly not met.



HappySqurriel said:
I'm not going to say that either side is right in this case because it depends heavily on Joe Paterno's side of the story, which he hasn't told yet ...

What we know is that Joe Paterno was told by one of his coaches that he witnessed another coach abusing a child, and then Joe Paterno informed his superior of this incident. While Joe Paterno should have gone to the police, I don't believe he was trying to cover it up, and it is plausible that he believed his superior was going to handle the police and begin an investigation. Regardless of this, the coach who witnessed the abuse had an obligation to report it to the police.

While I can see the justification of firing Joe Paterno, I don't understand how either the athletic director or the coach who witnessed the abuse still have their jobs; because, as far as I can tell, their obligations were far more clear than Paterno's were and were certainly not met.

You never ever ever 'go to your superiors' when witnessing an illegal activity at your work place. You go straight to the cops, because corporations don't like whistleblowers, and always try to cover up thigns like this.



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sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:
I'm not going to say that either side is right in this case because it depends heavily on Joe Paterno's side of the story, which he hasn't told yet ...

What we know is that Joe Paterno was told by one of his coaches that he witnessed another coach abusing a child, and then Joe Paterno informed his superior of this incident. While Joe Paterno should have gone to the police, I don't believe he was trying to cover it up, and it is plausible that he believed his superior was going to handle the police and begin an investigation. Regardless of this, the coach who witnessed the abuse had an obligation to report it to the police.

While I can see the justification of firing Joe Paterno, I don't understand how either the athletic director or the coach who witnessed the abuse still have their jobs; because, as far as I can tell, their obligations were far more clear than Paterno's were and were certainly not met.

You never ever ever 'go to your superiors' when witnessing an illegal activity at your work place. You go straight to the cops, because corporations don't like whistleblowers, and always try to cover up thigns like this.


That's fine, and I agree (in general), except you're angry at Joe Paterno for not reporting a crime he wasn't a witness to ...