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Paul on 11 November 2011
tolu619 said:
I'll say this knowing fully well that most people won't understand. To the few that do/will, it's worth being said(besides, Runa's reply might be fun):
Jesus came to destroy religion and replace it with a relationship with God. Unfortunately, many things in the Bible have been twisted to spawn so many different religions. However, true Christianity is not religious.
Religion is based on laws:Dos and Don'ts. Christianity is based on a relationship founded on love(religion never presents a father-son relationship but a deity-servant one). Anyone interested in a more in-depth explanation of this can read Romans chapter 10. I won't answer any questions on this posted on this thread unless I'm convinced that it's a question from someone who actually wants to hear more, and not just scoff.
By the way, the guy that said that part of civilization implies people with different beliefs being able to live together makes a good point. I guess it's just our bad human nature that ruins everything, and will always find an excuse to back up evil(whether its religious beliefs or something totally different).

Jesus? scoff, scoff

scoff.....scoff, scoff





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Paul on 11 November 2011
Runa216 said:
tolu619 said:
I'll say this knowing fully well that most people won't understand. To the few that do/will, it's worth being said(besides, Runa's reply might be fun):
Jesus came to destroy religion and replace it with a relationship with God. Unfortunately, many things in the Bible have been twisted to spawn so many different religions. However, true Christianity is not religious.
Religion is based on laws:Dos and Don'ts. Christianity is based on a relationship founded on love(religion never presents a father-son relationship but a deity-servant one). Anyone interested in a more in-depth explanation of this can read Romans chapter 10. I won't answer any questions on this posted on this thread unless I'm convinced that it's a question from someone who actually wants to hear more, and not just scoff.
By the way, the guy that said that part of civilization implies people with different beliefs being able to live together makes a good point. I guess it's just our bad human nature that ruins everything, and will always find an excuse to back up evil(whether its religious beliefs or something totally different).

Curious, is this just a personal theory or do you have citations to back it up?  

I'm sure the bible is ripe with citations that he can use to justify whatever his world view is.



DélioPT on 11 November 2011
Runa216 said:
DélioPT said:

 

As i said before, it`s not a sin being gay, it`s living that life that is considered a sin.
Harming others is one kind of sin, harming oneself is another kind of sin. Sins aren`t just what you do to others but to yourself aswell.
And the Church isn`t here to push agendas.

*sigh*  So basically, God makes you gay, condemns acting on that, and it's YOUR job to tell others how to live their life? See? this is precisely my problem with religion, this inherent entitlement they feel to control others.  *sighs* 

God makes you gay... well what if the devil interviened? Some find adversities because the way they were born, some find them during their life. To me, that shouldn`t be a reason to not be with God. Actually everyone is invited to offer those same things that make them suffer (whatever those things are) for the sake of salvation of others.
My job to tell others how to live their lives? I never told anyone to do this or that in my post.
In your view, if someone presents a view of the world out loud they are trying to control someone`s lives and tell them how they should live their lives. No, it`s not. Everyone has the right - and really does do it out loud - to express themselves on how they feel life is and should be lived. Everyone, at the same time, decides what they want to do or follow.




Mr Khan on 11 November 2011
Runa216 said:
tolu619 said:
I'll say this knowing fully well that most people won't understand. To the few that do/will, it's worth being said(besides, Runa's reply might be fun):
Jesus came to destroy religion and replace it with a relationship with God. Unfortunately, many things in the Bible have been twisted to spawn so many different religions. However, true Christianity is not religious.
Religion is based on laws:Dos and Don'ts. Christianity is based on a relationship founded on love(religion never presents a father-son relationship but a deity-servant one). Anyone interested in a more in-depth explanation of this can read Romans chapter 10. I won't answer any questions on this posted on this thread unless I'm convinced that it's a question from someone who actually wants to hear more, and not just scoff.
By the way, the guy that said that part of civilization implies people with different beliefs being able to live together makes a good point. I guess it's just our bad human nature that ruins everything, and will always find an excuse to back up evil(whether its religious beliefs or something totally different).

Curious, is this just a personal theory or do you have citations to back it up?  

His assertion has grounding in Protestant philosophical thought. The notion of a personal relationship with God, a personal spiritual quest based solely on one's notion of scripture where the Church's only role is to provide leadership as far as scriptural interpretation.

This is compared to Catholicism where, say, you can pray to saints or to Mary to appeal to God for you, and where your local priest is capable of absolving your sins through the sacrament of Confession.

However, one argues that even the protestant denominations get involved in the notion of establishing canonical doctrine in such a way that violates this ideal, they just do so on a smaller scale than the convoluted dogma of the Catholic Church



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Runa216 on 11 November 2011
DélioPT said:

God makes you gay... well what if the devil interviened? Some find adversities because the way they were born, some find them during their life. To me, that shouldn`t be a reason to not be with God. Actually everyone is invited to offer those same things that make them suffer (whatever those things are) for the sake of salvation of others.
My job to tell others how to live their lives? I never told anyone to do this or that in my post.
In your view, if someone presents a view of the world out loud they are trying to control someone`s lives and tell them how they should live their lives. No, it`s not. Everyone has the right - and really does do it out loud - to express themselves on how they feel life is and should be lived. Everyone, at the same time, decides what they want to do or follow.

...Really?  Can you honestly not see the glaring neon sign that screams Hypocrisy?  I don't possibly know what more to say short of dissecting every last word and explaining to you, but like a few others, I don't think you'd redact your statement, so why bother? 



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DélioPT on 11 November 2011
Runa216 said:
DélioPT said:

God makes you gay... well what if the devil interviened? Some find adversities because the way they were born, some find them during their life. To me, that shouldn`t be a reason to not be with God. Actually everyone is invited to offer those same things that make them suffer (whatever those things are) for the sake of salvation of others.
My job to tell others how to live their lives? I never told anyone to do this or that in my post.
In your view, if someone presents a view of the world out loud they are trying to control someone`s lives and tell them how they should live their lives. No, it`s not. Everyone has the right - and really does do it out loud - to express themselves on how they feel life is and should be lived. Everyone, at the same time, decides what they want to do or follow.

...Really?  Can you honestly not see the glaring neon sign that screams Hypocrisy?  I don't possibly know what more to say short of dissecting every last word and explaining to you, but like a few others, I don't think you'd redact your statement, so why bother? 

No i do not find hypocrisy on what i said until know.
No one says that being born this way or another is to blame. It`s what people actually do with their lifes that might be of blame. If you see this outside the context of being gay, you will probably understand better what i am trying to say.



sapphi_snake on 11 November 2011
DélioPT said:
sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:

I`m not going to start a religious debate here, but it`s not true that religious people are free as birds to live their faith as they want. You will probably find countries where that happens.

Please, don`t take religious views as they are after you or anyone else. It`s not like that. Try to understand that it`s not personnal, it`s a result of a religious mindset and the defense of values in such mindset.
You spoke of homosexuals and stem cells.
About stem cells, i`ll admit i don`t enough about them to make a statemente, but according to this article (http://catholicism.about.com/od/thechurchintheworld/p/Stem_Cells.htm) the Catholic Church, for example, is not against all stem cell research.
About homosexuality, please, let me make it clear, the Church is NOT against homosexuals. It`s against what it calls a sin - an action or acceptance of a life perpretated by someone. Therefore, as Church defines matrimony or the sacrament of matrimon, as between only man and woman, it natural opposes unions of the same sex.

All of what you wrote above about judging and insulting, you know that that does not speak for religions themselves and should only speak for those who, wrongly, do those actions.

Yes it is. The fact that it classifies homosexuality as a sin proves that.

If being against something it considers a sin, is the same as being against the person who commits a sin, then the Church is against every single man and woman. Do you see that happening?
There is a difference: "hate" the sin, not the sinner.

Homosexuality is an inherent quality of a homosexual, and it is harmless. Considering it a sin and persecuting people (sometimes physically, but always psychologically) is abuse.



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sapphi_snake on 11 November 2011
DélioPT said:
Runa216 said:
DélioPT said:

If being against something it considers a sin, is the same as being against the person who commits a sin, then the Church is against every single man and woman. Do you see that happening?
There is a difference: "hate" the sin, not the sinner.

it's still disgusting (and hypocritical) that the church condemns the 'sin' of homosexuality....when by their own faith, God created us all as he deemed fit, so Homosexuals were born that way.  Plus it doesn't harm anyone so they have no right to push their agenda.  

As i said before, it`s not a sin being gay, it`s living that life that is considered a sin.
Harming others is one kind of sin, harming oneself is another kind of sin. Sins aren`t just what you do to others but to yourself aswell.
And the Church isn`t here to push agendas.

So... in other words it's wrong to be themselves? And how are homosexuals harming themsleves? On the contrary, they harm themselves by denying and repressing their homosexuality. Hence why classifying homosexuality as a sin is psychological abuse.



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sapphi_snake on 11 November 2011
richardhutnik said:

It would be argued by some that religion is a byproduct of human evolutionary development, which have revealed customs and traditions that work well to preserve and improve society.  That which came about by an organic, bottom-up approach, ends up being adopted much more that some ivory tower concept.  Things like language, for example, come about as a result of this.  There are reasons why Esperanto never took off.

You really shouldn't make the mistake of aplying evolution to cultural concepts (like religion). It's a fad nowadays to say that everything is a byproduct of evolution, but it's simply not true.



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d21lewis on 11 November 2011

This thread really does something for me.....can't quite put my finger on it.......