what the *Censored* have you brought to this discussion.....why are you here again???

honest question BTW

I feel like I have to explain myself after reading the comments directed towards me after I was banned

Micheal-5's GT5 and General LMAO facts:

"GT5 doesn't have simulation damage"

It does

"GT5 doesn't have LMP1 or LMP2 cars to buy"

It does

"As for F1, if the car is 1-4 years old, it wouldn't qualify for Formula 1 anymore."

really, talk to anyone who actually watches Formula 1

"PGR arguement is just to show you how little weather means to a racing sim..."

and somehow people were upset whit what I said....edit: you admitting to being wrong about that but the fact that you said it in the first place is telling

"but GT5 doesn't have on track (or Fuji), point to point races."

it does

"GT5 copied Forza's leveling system and only rewards you scarsly,"

GT5's leveling is a modified version of GT4 leveling which released before any Forza, and GT5 rewards you for EVERYTHING you do, but I don't know what I'm talking about and he does right???

"GT5 was the worst GT game since, well GT"

the audacity coming form this guy

"So weather, and rally racing (even though were comparing on track capabilities) make GT5 better?"

so he's not only insinuating weather and rally has nothing to do with a racing sim but he's also insinuating it doesn't count as on track experience...... and yo-john, your shaking YOUR head

"Because you know, it's not a sim without a good number of high res premium cars."

you heard it here folks not weather not rally, not rain, nor snow, or dirt mean anything in a racing sim, but how many hi res premium models does....

"Rain is nothing compared to a real damage model"

I actually agree here, I mean you'd have to be a complete moron to compare weather to damage.....right?

"I guess if you really really like FF Ricer Civics, GT5 is a better sim."

again with the bullshit

"I aimed to show both games outside the sim aspects deliver. That tally shows them on par. GT5 has rain and drifting, Forza 4 has a better selection of cars and Extra features (like Top Gear) for car enthusiasts."

this is probably the most important thing he's ever said, it is the highlight of my entire stance in this thread, and show how pointless that tally is. My position was that GT5 blows Forza out of the water WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT MATTERS IN A RACING SIM!!! I don't care about what goes on outside a racing sim and neither does racing sim fans, and neither does racing sim developers.... regular gamers would however...and what do most people say about GT5....alas I digress, why then is he trying to show me what goes on outside a racing sim and why is he trying to make it seem those things that are outside a racing sim would be in anyway relevant to the things inside a racing sim......could it be because I'M FUCKING RIGHT and GT5 does blow Forza out of the water when it comes to what matters in a racing sim and he can't argue that and admitting it would somehow admit defeat and thus enjoyment of Forza would be less, I mean Forza 4 suppose to be the King remember, meaning it has to be better than GT5 in EVERY WAY. It can't do it be being better in some ways, and those ways having jack shit to do with racing sims.

I mean look at the fact that when Forza fans are cornered they immediately bring up PGR4 (yes this has happened in many different GT5 vs Forza threads on many different sites including this one) to refute GT5, the very fact that the HAVE to bring up an entirely different game to attack GT5's many features is more a dig at Forza 4 and a compliment to GT5, their basically saying a game that came out in 07 has more racing sims features than one that came out in 2011 and that the only way to get a GT5 like experience is to have play both those games. And they say PD wasted thier time with those 5 years...yeah Forza fans beg to differ.

now to continue

"Forza 4, track temperature affects performance, GT5 it does not."

yes it does.

"in GT5, when you do a major jump, and land sideways, the car corrects itself and goes straight"

no it doesn't

"GT5 also has over 60% ricers, many repeats. How can you expect me not to laugh at that?"

he can laugh but I can't.... :(

"I don't laugh at GT5 gamers thinking it's superior, and I have probably played more GT5 then you,"

considering the above many of your other statements  I can say for a FACT...you haven't

and my personal favorite: in response to my wall of gameplay

Also Forza 4 can't do any of that, but Forza 4 will always be more appreciated by real car fans because not only does it not have 630 Japanese cars, it has this guy.

in closing

people used the bluntness of my post as a smoke screen to the actual points I was trying to make (thanks to those who actually read) but as you can see deserving of ALL criticism, and no Micheal 5, I don't treat all the people I know like that.........just the terribly misinformed ones *edited for appropriateness*

Sexy man hoe?

Sure if that floats your boat

This thread has resulted in more moderation than pretty much any other thread I've ever seen.

Stay on topic, and stop flaming/trolling/complaining about moderation, or I'll lock it.

Here's a pretty decent video comparison. The guy is pretty anoying but the basic jist of the video is F4 and GT5 are both excellent sim racing games. 

Also in case anyone has missed it here's the Inside Sim Racing preview of F4.

This debate still going?

LOL.

Forza 4 and GT5 are a big deal lol :P

Ive got bored with this sort of thing on VGC. It always has the same outcome. LOL. Lopsided.

Theres better more balanced and factual forums for Graphics and comparions than VGC out there. VGC a become a horrible forum for this sort of thing. So unfactual and full of people who think they know better than facts and developers. 

Hence why I stopped bothering with this thread. ;)

I'll stay with the sensible Microsoft forum. Alot less D*ck stroking going on.LOL