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sapphi_snake on 14 October 2011
brendude13 said:
sapphi_snake said:
brendude13 said:
MrBubbles said:
I would personally support the arrest of him for torture. eventhough i think Bush is probably a decent person and nowhere near as bad as some would have you believe. waterboarding is torture. even by definition in the US. the US executed people for waterboarding their troops. now, i wouldnt support the execution or even something like life imprisonment but there should be accountability for the actions.

I don't see the problem with torture...

If you know the person is guilty and they are holding back vital information that could save lives or bring someone to justice, then they should be able to do whatever they can to get that information off them.

I guess you don't know much about torture, do you?

Are you telling me you wouldn't torture a criminal to save lives?

No. There's also a little apsect of torture you're neglecting (purposely or not).



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Netyaroze on 14 October 2011

Could ? No they cant. Even though they could theoretically. Practically no. Because they could not handle the shitstorm following his arrest. USA is still the most powerful country and they would see that clearly as challenging their authority. The US would smack their whole economic weight into canadas face. International law ? In the end countries do what they want if they have the power.

Canada knows that they wouldnt be able to arrest him unless USA allows it. How exactly should that work ? Worst case scenario the US would send a commando into canada and take him back with violence just to show the world that nobody should dare to arrest a former US president even a "friend".

There are things that you cant do. You think China or Russia would allow Ukraine/North Korea to arrest former president leaders ? This is like a declaration of war. USA might be democratic but this arrest would be a sign of weakness.

Canadas leader know that and would never arrest him NEVER. They dont have the Power to do it. Nobody has. How exactly could that work ? If USA doesnt say its fine. They invade countries if they think their interests are in danger (not officialy ofcourse).



Galaki on 14 October 2011
sapphi_snake said:
brendude13 said:
sapphi_snake said:
brendude13 said:
MrBubbles said:
I would personally support the arrest of him for torture. eventhough i think Bush is probably a decent person and nowhere near as bad as some would have you believe. waterboarding is torture. even by definition in the US. the US executed people for waterboarding their troops. now, i wouldnt support the execution or even something like life imprisonment but there should be accountability for the actions.

I don't see the problem with torture...

If you know the person is guilty and they are holding back vital information that could save lives or bring someone to justice, then they should be able to do whatever they can to get that information off them.

I guess you don't know much about torture, do you?

Are you telling me you wouldn't torture a criminal to save lives?

No. There's also a little apsect of torture you're neglecting (purposely or not).

Try torturing Bush, he'd admit to anything you want him to.



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sapphi_snake on 14 October 2011
Galaki said:
sapphi_snake said:
brendude13 said:
sapphi_snake said:
brendude13 said:
MrBubbles said:
I would personally support the arrest of him for torture. eventhough i think Bush is probably a decent person and nowhere near as bad as some would have you believe. waterboarding is torture. even by definition in the US. the US executed people for waterboarding their troops. now, i wouldnt support the execution or even something like life imprisonment but there should be accountability for the actions.

I don't see the problem with torture...

If you know the person is guilty and they are holding back vital information that could save lives or bring someone to justice, then they should be able to do whatever they can to get that information off them.

I guess you don't know much about torture, do you?

Are you telling me you wouldn't torture a criminal to save lives?

No. There's also a little apsect of torture you're neglecting (purposely or not).

Try torturing Bush, he'd admit to anything you want him to.

Bingo!



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pariz on 14 October 2011

In a world driven by justice, a country as Canada would prosecute a man as George Bush.
But we don't live in that world!!



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brendude13 on 14 October 2011
sapphi_snake said:
brendude13 said:
sapphi_snake said:

I guess you don't know much about torture, do you?

Are you telling me you wouldn't torture a criminal to save lives?

No. There's also a little apsect of torture you're neglecting (purposely or not).

Like what?



sapphi_snake on 14 October 2011
brendude13 said:
sapphi_snake said:
brendude13 said:
sapphi_snake said:

I guess you don't know much about torture, do you?

Are you telling me you wouldn't torture a criminal to save lives?

No. There's also a little apsect of torture you're neglecting (purposely or not).

Like what?

Seriously?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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brendude13 on 14 October 2011
sapphi_snake said:
brendude13 said:
sapphi_snake said:
brendude13 said:
sapphi_snake said:

I guess you don't know much about torture, do you?

Are you telling me you wouldn't torture a criminal to save lives?

No. There's also a little apsect of torture you're neglecting (purposely or not).

Like what?

Seriously?

Yes. Does the universe implode or something?



enrageorange on 14 October 2011

brendude13, he is saying torturing people often makes them confess things that the torturer wants them to confess, to avoid the torture. Just like when soldiers are captured by the enemy they often say are being treated well and then when released talk about the horrors they faced. They lied initially to avoid further torture.

 

As for the original arguement. Even enemy states such as North Korea, already sanctioned to hell, and hell bent on getting the attention of the world through nearly any means, don't dare try to arrest american presidents or former presidents when they visit. I think it goes without saying Canada, probably the United States' biggest ally, would do no such thing either.



sapphi_snake on 14 October 2011
enrageorange said:

brendude13, he is saying torturing people often makes them confess things that the torturer wants them to confess, to avoid the torture. Just like when soldiers are captured by the enemy they often say are being treated well and then when released talk about the horrors they faced. They lied initially to avoid further torture.

 

As for the original arguement. Even enemy states such as North Korea, already sanctioned to hell, and hell bent on getting the attention of the world through nearly any means, don't dare try to arrest american presidents or former presidents when they visit. I think it goes without saying Canada, probably the United States' biggest ally, would do no such thing either.

Yes, this is qutie true. And there's also th fact that torture is inhuman and all that.



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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