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Jumpin said:
From what I understand - Republicans = the stupid party, whose people think the sun revolves around the earth, and don't know where Iraq is on a map.

Maybe that is what keeps people away. It's somewhat surprising that about half of the US seems to vote for them - this is why a lot of stereotypes about Americans exist.

I'd say you don't understand much of anything then.

There is "part of it" that believes the first....  Same with anyone who has some voters who are christians.

most people in either party, or any part of the world couldn't probably do the second... even in Iraq.

In the Middle East in fact, 63% of kids who should of learned it by now couldn't find Iraq on a map, and georgraphy skills only get worse as you age because the average person never really uses em.

With the number being like... 66% in America.

 

Really the US sucking at Georgraphy isn't a surprise though... I mean we lack a lot of need for "Practical Geography".   We're a huge ass country with essentially only two countries on our border.

It's not like Europe where you can drive to a dozen countries in the span of a day.



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Jumpin said:
From what I understand - Republicans = the stupid party, whose people think the sun revolves around the earth, and don't know where Iraq is on a map.

Maybe that is what keeps people away. It's somewhat surprising that about half of the US seems to vote for them - this is why a lot of stereotypes about Americans exist.

you are making a sterotype claim that really dosn't exist. whether its republican, democrat, or any other party its really about difference of opinions. Yes some Republicans probably have a low IQ or deny facts, the same can be said about some Democrats, some Independants and some from every political spectrum. Claiming that the Republican party= the stupid party has been a cliche that has been going on for years by their opponents and reached a climax during the Bush presidency.




Allfreedom99 said:
Jumpin said:
From what I understand - Republicans = the stupid party, whose people think the sun revolves around the earth, and don't know where Iraq is on a map.

Maybe that is what keeps people away. It's somewhat surprising that about half of the US seems to vote for them - this is why a lot of stereotypes about Americans exist.

you are making a sterotype claim that really dosn't exist.


Insane American Republican complaining about taxes and government spending.... all the while living on welfare.  



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spurgeonryan said:
I was likely to vote republican until The Bush came along as well. From then on I voted for Carey, and ...well I sent an absentee ballot for Obama, but it was returned to sender somehow. But I will vote the same way for the rest of my life now because of The Bush.

What exactly turned you off about Bush?  Was it excessive spending?  The wars?  The bailouts of companies?  The reason I ask is, if those are the reasons, why vote for a Democrat?  They are more of the same, only on a whole other level.

@ OP

I think the Republicans actually started scaring many away when they started blurring the lines between a Republican and a Democrat.  One of the reasons why many conservatives didn't show up to support McCain and many independants jumped to Obama, hoping for real change (quite a few since then have not liked the change that brought).  Now the same Republicans who blurred the line aren't liking the fact that a true conservative movement has started to take back the Republican party and that their time and influence may be drawing to an end.  This can be seen with some of the leaders of the GOP lashing out at the Tea Party and the politicians that support them.



You can see that phenomenon on the other side. I know a girl in college who's in Students for goddamn Workers Rights, is all about social justice, but votes Republican solely because of abortion

Politics is an odd thing



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Jumpin said:
Allfreedom99 said:
Jumpin said:
From what I understand - Republicans = the stupid party, whose people think the sun revolves around the earth, and don't know where Iraq is on a map.

Maybe that is what keeps people away. It's somewhat surprising that about half of the US seems to vote for them - this is why a lot of stereotypes about Americans exist.

you are making a sterotype claim that really dosn't exist.


Insane American Republican complaining about taxes and government spending.... all the while living on welfare.  

nice commical map, but dosn't really prove every Republican is somehow stupid. I will give props to the map being funny, but its just a stereotype that dosn't prove anything.

The video is of some random guy at a tea party rally. thats it. some random guy. I could probably go to any political movement or rally and find at least one person that doesn't have much of an education. Its all just stereotypes created by media for ratings honestly. It really just comes down to difference of opinions. One method of running a government VS. another.




The Republican party is in the business of disenfranchising potential voters. It isn't a question of dissimilar values as is often the case with the Democratic party. The Republican party is the party of intolerance, and unsubtle bigotry. The reality is a negative agenda as opposed to a positive agenda is only going to discourage voters away, and that is sadly very fucking stupid. Especially when your key demographic is on the decline. I thought this would have actually had a impact on the parties mindset after the Obama landslide.

Instead of reviewing their positions, and trying to moderate their views. They instead opted to become even more extreme in their positions. As if their already polarized base weren't energized during the Obama election cycle. In truth they were Obama was their Anti-Christ. They were terrified by the man, and even with all that traction they still couldn't win that election. The super religiosity, bigoted rhetoric, and anti feminist stance. Is not the way for the party to move forward.

The truth is the Republican party is just doing a better job every year alienating more and more groups. That is just bad business, and prioritizing one demographics agenda so much isn't doing the party any favors. Religiosity is on the decline in this country, and frankly so is bigotry. Playing to a dying breed is like tethering yourself to a sinking ship. The party should have taken a cue to become more secular, and more focused on a fiscal platform. That in the end would have been more healthy and productive.

I think the modern Republican party is just farcical, and frankly it a shadow of better days. I would honestly like for the party to give me pause. Rather then cause me to turn away in disgust. Which would have happened if they had moved away from the evangelical propaganda, and focused on economics, national renewal, or a innovative new foreign doctrine. They had a justification to evolve to become a more dynamic party, and am I the only one that finds himself confused by the fact that the Democratic party that won that election is the only party that has seen fit to actually try courting new demographics.

Bottom line the Republican party needs to think real hard about opening doors rather then closing them, because frankly the Democratic party seems to be expanding its influence. I really would like for my vote to be contested in a meaningful way. The Republican party of forty years ago might have had a good chance at that, but the party of today is just plain toxic.



Dodece said:
The Republican party is in the business of disenfranchising potential voters. It isn't a question of dissimilar values as is often the case with the Democratic party. The Republican party is the party of intolerance, and unsubtle bigotry. The reality is a negative agenda as opposed to a positive agenda is only going to discourage voters away, and that is sadly very fucking stupid. Especially when your key demographic is on the decline. I thought this would have actually had a impact on the parties mindset after the Obama landslide.

Instead of reviewing their positions, and trying to moderate their views. They instead opted to become even more extreme in their positions. As if their already polarized base weren't energized during the Obama election cycle. In truth they were Obama was their Anti-Christ. They were terrified by the man, and even with all that traction they still couldn't win that election. The super religiosity, bigoted rhetoric, and anti feminist stance. Is not the way for the party to move forward.

The truth is the Republican party is just doing a better job every year alienating more and more groups. That is just bad business, and prioritizing one demographics agenda so much isn't doing the party any favors. Religiosity is on the decline in this country, and frankly so is bigotry. Playing to a dying breed is like tethering yourself to a sinking ship. The party should have taken a cue to become more secular, and more focused on a fiscal platform. That in the end would have been more healthy and productive.

I think the modern Republican party is just farcical, and frankly it a shadow of better days. I would honestly like for the party to give me pause. Rather then cause me to turn away in disgust. Which would have happened if they had moved away from the evangelical propaganda, and focused on economics, national renewal, or a innovative new foreign doctrine. They had a justification to evolve to become a more dynamic party, and am I the only one that finds himself confused by the fact that the Democratic party that won that election is the only party that has seen fit to actually try courting new demographics.

Bottom line the Republican party needs to think real hard about opening doors rather then closing them, because frankly the Democratic party seems to be expanding its influence. I really would like for my vote to be contested in a meaningful way. The Republican party of forty years ago might have had a good chance at that, but the party of today is just plain toxic.


I would argue that there is just as much intolerance and bigotry demonstrated by the Democrats, with the Democrats demonstrating their racism in the form of low expectations of "protected" racial groups ... While they would not phrase it in this way, the overall message of many democrats is that it is unreasonable to expect minority groups to maintain the same standards of mature, responsible and intelligent decision making that they would expect from a white heterosexual male between the ages of 21 and 45; and therefore special accommodations have to be made.



Dodece said:
The Republican party is in the business of disenfranchising potential voters. It isn't a question of dissimilar values as is often the case with the Democratic party. The Republican party is the party of intolerance, and unsubtle bigotry. The reality is a negative agenda as opposed to a positive agenda is only going to discourage voters away, and that is sadly very fucking stupid. Especially when your key demographic is on the decline. I thought this would have actually had a impact on the parties mindset after the Obama landslide.

Instead of reviewing their positions, and trying to moderate their views. They instead opted to become even more extreme in their positions. As if their already polarized base weren't energized during the Obama election cycle. In truth they were Obama was their Anti-Christ. They were terrified by the man, and even with all that traction they still couldn't win that election. The super religiosity, bigoted rhetoric, and anti feminist stance. Is not the way for the party to move forward.

The truth is the Republican party is just doing a better job every year alienating more and more groups. That is just bad business, and prioritizing one demographics agenda so much isn't doing the party any favors. Religiosity is on the decline in this country, and frankly so is bigotry. Playing to a dying breed is like tethering yourself to a sinking ship. The party should have taken a cue to become more secular, and more focused on a fiscal platform. That in the end would have been more healthy and productive.

I think the modern Republican party is just farcical, and frankly it a shadow of better days. I would honestly like for the party to give me pause. Rather then cause me to turn away in disgust. Which would have happened if they had moved away from the evangelical propaganda, and focused on economics, national renewal, or a innovative new foreign doctrine. They had a justification to evolve to become a more dynamic party, and am I the only one that finds himself confused by the fact that the Democratic party that won that election is the only party that has seen fit to actually try courting new demographics.

Bottom line the Republican party needs to think real hard about opening doors rather then closing them, because frankly the Democratic party seems to be expanding its influence. I really would like for my vote to be contested in a meaningful way. The Republican party of forty years ago might have had a good chance at that, but the party of today is just plain toxic.

Actually the biggest problem with the Republican party today is many of its leaders have gone "mushy". Instead of standing for fiscal responsibility, and smaller government they have over the last couple of decades become a light version of the democrats fiscally without standing on principal. The accusatoins that come from the left just call them: racist, sexist bigots. a small percentage of them possibly, but its evident that those things also come out as often oreven more from leftists than people on the right. Democrats have pushed even moreso over the years for a welfare state and a Marxist view that states, "Give to those according to their need FROM those according to their ability to contribute."

Much of the media dosn't do a very good job of telling what is actually transpiring, but what has happened moreso is that Democrats have gone more towards "socialistic views" and many Republicans have become more wishy washy and mushy choosing to not be fiscally responsible and they have not been pushing for a free market society as much where everyone has EQUAL opportunity. It's amazing to watch the "Occupy" crowd, because they are protesting Wall Street, but what they really should be protesting is the policies created by the government that helped create the mess.

When a society becomes so entitlement minded where it allows for its citizens to collect an income for so long without working its obvious that those people will become used to it and will feel that they don't have to work, because money is being provided to them for not working. That is not fair and is not right. Much of the political thinking has become so backwards. I just want the Government to live within its means and be fiscally responsible. The more they try to raise taxes the more burden it puts on the engine of the economy. Doesn't it make sense that the more money that is taken out of an economy the less money there is for economic growth?

 I like many am tired of "establishment" politics and political figures that only care about re-election, but by no means do I want a welfare type state which implys less freedom and more economic bondage.




Allfreedom99 said:
Jumpin said:
Allfreedom99 said:
Jumpin said:
From what I understand - Republicans = the stupid party, whose people think the sun revolves around the earth, and don't know where Iraq is on a map.

Maybe that is what keeps people away. It's somewhat surprising that about half of the US seems to vote for them - this is why a lot of stereotypes about Americans exist.

you are making a sterotype claim that really dosn't exist.


Insane American Republican complaining about taxes and government spending.... all the while living on welfare.  

nice commical map, but dosn't really prove every Republican is somehow stupid. I will give props to the map being funny, but its just a stereotype that dosn't prove anything.

The video is of some random guy at a tea party rally. thats it. some random guy. I could probably go to any political movement or rally and find at least one person that doesn't have much of an education. Its all just stereotypes created by media for ratings honestly. It really just comes down to difference of opinions. One method of running a government VS. another.


Pointing out that the stereotype exists was the point of my post.

Also, it's complete hore crap if you think that is just one rare moron among the bunch. This whole "Tea Party" thing is well known to be full of crazies and idiots - Bill Maher, Steve Colbert, and John Stewart have made entire TV series' dedicated to showing the world how stupid these people actually are. Essentially, these guys are the same as Black Panthers, except white, far more stupid, and wield guns like wild people, not because of intimidation against the police who brutalized and murdered their people (as the black panthers did), but because they're just plain insane. In fact, the great irony is that the people who were largely against the Black Panthers are largely the same ones who make up this "tea party". Bill Maher explains their whole ridiculous stance quite well:



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