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JEMC said:
Xen said:
Snesboy said:
JEMC said:
zarx said:
if it wasn't a new socket I would be

Isn't that a bit unfair? In recent years, Intel has released a new socket for every new gen of CPUs (s1366, s1155, s1156 and the coming s2011) and people didn't complain. Why can't AMD do it?

You could buy an AM3+ socket motherboard months ago while keeping your Phenom II or Athon II CPU and now just drop the a new Bulldozer CPU and it will work.

OT: I hope AMD delivers, as that would mean competition... so we (consumers) will win. And it looks like they might have something...

amd fx8150 to take on core i7 980x and 2600k  on their price performance crown

I knew the FX-8150 would crush the i7's...

I wouldn't put too much trust into these benchmarks just yet. Wait for anandtech, tom's, etc.

In fact, I believe that Sandy Bridge is likely to retain its crown anyway.

In single threaded aplications Sandy Bridge will win easily. But for AMD, being on par with an i7 980X CPU that costs more than twice is a huge success, specially with a lower power consumption and a better graphics part.

The benchmarks look too good to be true.



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When the benches are out we can talk properly.

AMD marketing are always optimistic, and the tens of leaks and early reviews show it coming up short to the i7 2600k in multithreaded and possibly being worse than Phenom single-threaded, even at 4GHz. Imagine it as the next Pentium 4: big numbers, low performance.



Xen said:
JEMC said:
Xen said:
Snesboy said:
JEMC said:
zarx said:
if it wasn't a new socket I would be

Isn't that a bit unfair? In recent years, Intel has released a new socket for every new gen of CPUs (s1366, s1155, s1156 and the coming s2011) and people didn't complain. Why can't AMD do it?

You could buy an AM3+ socket motherboard months ago while keeping your Phenom II or Athon II CPU and now just drop the a new Bulldozer CPU and it will work.

OT: I hope AMD delivers, as that would mean competition... so we (consumers) will win. And it looks like they might have something...

amd fx8150 to take on core i7 980x and 2600k  on their price performance crown

I knew the FX-8150 would crush the i7's...

I wouldn't put too much trust into these benchmarks just yet. Wait for anandtech, tom's, etc.

In fact, I believe that Sandy Bridge is likely to retain its crown anyway.

In single threaded aplications Sandy Bridge will win easily. But for AMD, being on par with an i7 980X CPU that costs more than twice is a huge success, specially with a lower power consumption and a better graphics part.

The benchmarks look too good to be true.

Well, they seem to come from AMD...



Please excuse my bad English.

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JEMC said:
Xen said:
JEMC said:
Xen said:
Snesboy said:
JEMC said:
zarx said:
if it wasn't a new socket I would be

Isn't that a bit unfair? In recent years, Intel has released a new socket for every new gen of CPUs (s1366, s1155, s1156 and the coming s2011) and people didn't complain. Why can't AMD do it?

You could buy an AM3+ socket motherboard months ago while keeping your Phenom II or Athon II CPU and now just drop the a new Bulldozer CPU and it will work.

OT: I hope AMD delivers, as that would mean competition... so we (consumers) will win. And it looks like they might have something...

amd fx8150 to take on core i7 980x and 2600k  on their price performance crown

I knew the FX-8150 would crush the i7's...

I wouldn't put too much trust into these benchmarks just yet. Wait for anandtech, tom's, etc.

In fact, I believe that Sandy Bridge is likely to retain its crown anyway.

In single threaded aplications Sandy Bridge will win easily. But for AMD, being on par with an i7 980X CPU that costs more than twice is a huge success, specially with a lower power consumption and a better graphics part.

The benchmarks look too good to be true.

Well, they seem to come from AMD...

Which is why I'll wait for tom's and anandtech :P



Soleron said:
When the benches are out we can talk properly.

AMD marketing are always optimistic, and the tens of leaks and early reviews show it coming up short to the i7 2600k in multithreaded and possibly being worse than Phenom single-threaded, even at 4GHz. Imagine it as the next Pentium 4: big numbers, low performance.

Worse than Phenom? That'd be so wrong.



Please excuse my bad English.

Former gaming PC: i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

Current gaming PC: R5-7600, 32GB RAM 6000MT/s (CL30) and a RX 9060XT 16GB

Steam / Live / NNID : jonxiquet    Add me if you want, but I'm a single player gamer.

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JEMC said:
zarx said:
if it wasn't a new socket I would be

Isn't that a bit unfair? In recent years, Intel has released a new socket for every new gen of CPUs (s1366, s1155, s1156 and the coming s2011) and people didn't complain. Why can't AMD do it?

You could buy an AM3+ socket motherboard months ago while keeping your Phenom II or Athon II CPU and now just drop the a new Bulldozer CPU and it will work.

OT: I hope AMD delivers, as that would mean competition... so we (consumers) will win. And it looks like they might have something...

amd fx8150 to take on core i7 980x and 2600k  on their price performance crown

Life isn't fair I got a new AM3 mobo just before the AM3+ mobos were announced and given the less than 100% support I don't think I will be moving to a new bulldozzer any time soon. Just because Intel havn't made their sockets backwords/forword compatable doesn't mean I have to be exited for another AMD socket so soon after AM3. 



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Well doesn't look like I am missing much anyway as I don't do much video encoding, and Ivy bridge is going to destroy AMD next year 

 

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1741/1/

 

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AMD FX-8150 – why so bad?

 

Apart from the idle power draw of the FX-8150 – which we’ll point once again is an excellent achievement by AMD considering that the FX-8150 is a high-performance desktop part and its rival Core i5-2500K and Core i7-2600K are both essentially power-efficient laptop processors that have been beefed up a little for desktop PCs – the results show AMD’s latest CPU to be awful at everyday, consumer applications.

It’s a lack of single-threaded performance that holds the FX-8150 back – its efforts in our single-threaded image editing test were dire compared to every other processor on test. Even worse, this supposedly 8-core CPU running at 3.6GHz was hardly much faster than a six-core Phenom II X6 1100T running at 3.3GHz in heavily multi-threaded applications that saturate all available execution cores. In Cinebench R11.5 and WPrime – applications where a 8-core CPU should dominate a 6-core (let alone a quad-core) – we saw a lack of performance.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/10/12/amd-fx-8150-review/13

 

http://www.techspot.com/review/452-amd-bulldozer-fx-cpus/http://www.techspot.com/review/452-amd-bulldozer-fx-cpus/

So, let’s say someone puts Core i5-2500K and FX-8150 in front of you. The Core i5 costs $220 bucks, and the FX runs $245. Which one do you buy?

If it’s me, I’m going with the Core i5. I gave the -2500K a Tom’s Hardware Recommended Buy award back in January, and I stick by that recommendation almost a year later.

In the very best-case scenario, when you can throw a ton of work at the FX and fully utilize its eight integer cores, it generally falls in between Core i5-2500K and Core i7-2600K—which is where it should appear all of the time given a price tag between those two most relevant competitors. Sometimes FX manages to outperform the higher-end -2600K, but other times it’s embarrassingly bested by its predecessor in threaded workloads.

Toss a single-threaded app at the processor, though, and it underperforms Intel's three-year-old Core i7-920 running at its stock 2.66 GHz. AMD’s architects say they shot to maintain IPC and ramp up clock rate, but something clearly went wrong along the way.

Ironically, consistent, scalable performance is one of the attributes that AMD claims it gets from its Bulldozer module. The issue we see over and over, though, is that it relies on software able to exploit scalability in order to compete. When it doesn’t get what it wants, performance steps back relative to the previous generation. As a result, even though AMD implements a more advanced version of Turbo Core to help improve single-threaded performance, the difference between what you get in lightly- and heavily-threaded applications is anything but consistent.

AMD validly points out that Bulldozer is an architecture in its infancy accompanied by an aggressive roadmap. It incorporates future-looking ISA enhancements and a layout clearly conceptualized with threaded software in mind. Performance in the applications able to take advantage of those considerations is fair in light of AMD's asking price. But the compromises made elsewhere don't justify $245, in my opinion.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8150-zambezi-bulldozer-990fx,3043-24.html



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Anandtech review up as well. looks like while the 8150 is a huge leap forward for AMD it still sees them struggling to compete with current intel crop.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested



nanarchy said:
Anandtech review up as well. looks like while the 8150 is a huge leap forward for AMD it still sees them struggling to compete with current intel crop.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested


pitty games and most apps haven't really gone past 4 cores yet, if they scaled up to 8 then bulldozer would be a real contender in the enthusiest space. Right now they are competitive until Ivy bridge or Intel price drops. Once again the low to mid range should be a AMD win tho, they usally have great price/performance ratios. 



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