And it happened over 400 years before the first crusade. The crusaders of the late 11th century were damn late. And unless I'm mistaken it was the Turks threatening Constantinople that actually ignited the first crusade.

During the siege of Jerusalem the jews actually fought alongside the muslims against the christian invaders and both the muslims and the jews were massacred once the city was taken.

There was never really a Jewish state of Israel until the 20th century. It was always the province of one Empire or another since before the dawn of the Jewish faith. The only justification to it is that some legendary king David once had a Kingdom there. The Islamic populace was there more recently and longer.

Who-got-here-first argument gets lame. The more I think about it, the lamer it gets. Same goes for whose-ancestors-lived-here-more.

Helping Israel is bankrupting America!!
Enough is Enough, let them scavengers fend for themselves for a change

Won't disagree with that.  What's sad is when people can't even get right their own lame arguements though.

the bias/opinions/analogies in this thread are probably the same reasons why Israel and Palestine don't see eye to eye; people are so quick to jump on the other without realizing their own faults.

to Israel: Stop thinking you're hot shit just because you're back by the #1 world power, you can't land as you please no matter how "desolate" it seems

to Palestine: If you want to be taken seriously in the UN: #1: cut your ties with terrorists organizations, it does not look good to the world when you have extremist doing what ever they please. #2 to the president of Palestine: don't come over here to the U.N.(which happens to be in the U.S.) and ramble on about the ideals of the west and 9/11 being an inside job...many Americans and their allies don't take to kindly to that(my mistake if i'm accusing the wrong person)

I vote for peace and happiness for all the children of the world :)

Oh there's a reason alright. If your country is not a permanent member of the security council, you can always buy out one of the countries who is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_lobby_in_the_United_States

The Israel lobby group has tremendous lobby power in Washington, swinging US policy within the interest of the state of Israel. You didn't think it was weird how the only country supporting Israel (besides Israel itself) was the USA?

it's always a land grab,even if they give you a 1000 other reasons it's still a land grab and i'm talking about the whole of human history too,

i love the way the christian,white western man is always the bad one it's so nice and simple,i can't believe pariz actually blamed every planet earth human conflict on the uk,how do the french get away it,i can never understand that but honestly you can't be serious,right,there have been empires and land grabs for an awful long time all over the world by numerous empires and peoples

unless i have my facts wrong it goes Judaism,Christianity,Islam so yeah i'm guessing islam has done some naughty things to the other two in her time to be where it is around the world

on israel and palestine it is hard to see how it can ever be resolved,my best guess would be the whole region having a big war which will most likely end up as the truly first world war and it's hard to see that ending well so if there is that girl that you like and just can't bring yoursefl to talk to her and ask her out well,JUST DO IT as David Icke and Nike both say

True. Another good point.