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yo_john117 on 04 November 2011
thismeintiel said:
yo_john117 said:

Kinect will still be big this year plus so many huge games is really going to help the 360 out where Kinect fails. Now granted I forgot to enter in the Kinect sales into my thoughts on this but I still believe the 360 will end the year pretty close to last years sales.

 

And my original point still stands.

I'm sure Kinect will do alright, especially in Americas, but nothing like it did last year.  I think the recent launches, and there underperformance compared to their predecessors,  of Dance Central 2 and Kinect Sports 2 show exactly this.  And last year had large games, as well.  MW3 will probably have the same affect on sales that Black Ops did.  According to Halo Anniversary's pre-order numbers, it's not going to help out the 360 as much as Reach did last year.  Basically, the biggest missing factor is going to be the HUGE boost Kinect gave the 360.

Don't forget Skyrim and AC: Revelations which will give it a small boost (seriously for some reason it seems every game lately has given the 360 and PS3 a boost). Gears 3 took the place of Halo Reach's numbers so Halo: CEA is just a bonus at this point. MW3 is so huge that it will probably give a bigger boost than Black Ops (so probably about the same as last year since Kinect will make it slightly down)

And as for Kinect games they are notorious for having slow starts but just keep selling. I'm fairly sure Kinect will do better than you think.

Not too mention deals look absolutely sick for the 360 so that will help out as well.



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LivingMetal on 04 November 2011
Michael-5 said:
LivingMetal said:
Michael-5 said:
 

That's also the year of the Slim, and the turning point for PS3 sales. That price cut was $100, which was more dramatic because it made PS3 affordable. What about other Black Fridays?


The longer a console generation lasts and the later it becomes, the harder it becomes to make dramatic price cuts.  There is no way the PS2 can afford a $100 price drop now because it would make the console free if you are going to use the 2009 PS3 "price drop" of a $100 as an example.  It's relatve as time goes on.  The $300 PS3 price point in 2009 was 75% of the previous $400 PS3 model.  So a current $75 price drop to $225 ($225 is 75% of the previous $300 price point ofthe PS3) would be more in line of the 2009 "price drop."  So a $50 price drop is not too far off.  And what about the other Black Fridays?  You first said the "360 always got a bigger boost."  What is your reasoning why?

Not the same idea. In 2009, the price cut was a much more dramatic effect because it put PS3 into the affordable price range. $200 was the point when all prior gen consoles sold the greatest, and with inflation, that value is closer to $300 (VGC had an article comparing Wii's launch price to prior Nintendo launch prices showing that with inflation, they have all been about the same. They did this to estimate Wii U's launch price, dunno where the article is).

So even if the 2011 price cut match the % cut of the 2009 price cut, it's less dramatic. It was already affordable.

When PSP cut it's price earlier this year, sales only lifted for a month, despite a strong price cut (wasn't it $180 to $120, a 33% cut?). If PSP or PS2 got 25% price cut now, sales would not double like PS3's did in 2009.

Also look at other years, 360 did sell better on other Black Fridays. Why is it logical for 360 to sell better on Black Friday then PS3? Well Black Friday is a US sales holiday, and guess what. 360 outsells PS3 nearly 2:1 in the Americas region.


Ok.  So if $300 placed the PS3 more into a more afforable price range (which I agree with you, then $250 (the $50 price drop from $300) makes it even more afforable.  You're doing a good job proving Pezus' point.  Again, you first said the "360 always got a bigger boost."  What is your reasoning, and why?



NobleTeam360 on 04 November 2011

This will be a good battle for America this year. probably the best : )



Michael-5 on 04 November 2011
LivingMetal said:
Michael-5 said:

Not the same idea. In 2009, the price cut was a much more dramatic effect because it put PS3 into the affordable price range. $200 was the point when all prior gen consoles sold the greatest, and with inflation, that value is closer to $300 (VGC had an article comparing Wii's launch price to prior Nintendo launch prices showing that with inflation, they have all been about the same. They did this to estimate Wii U's launch price, dunno where the article is).

So even if the 2011 price cut match the % cut of the 2009 price cut, it's less dramatic. It was already affordable.

When PSP cut it's price earlier this year, sales only lifted for a month, despite a strong price cut (wasn't it $180 to $120, a 33% cut?). If PSP or PS2 got 25% price cut now, sales would not double like PS3's did in 2009.

Also look at other years, 360 did sell better on other Black Fridays. Why is it logical for 360 to sell better on Black Friday then PS3? Well Black Friday is a US sales holiday, and guess what. 360 outsells PS3 nearly 2:1 in the Americas region.


Ok.  So if $300 placed the PS3 more into a more afforable price range (which I agree with you, then $250 (the $50 price drop from $300) makes it even more afforable.  You're doing a good job proving Pezus' point.  Again, you first said the "360 always got a bigger boost."  What is your reasoning, and why?

After I said "360 always got a bigger boost" I also wrote (I think). It's key not to edit that line out. I was correct for every year except 2009 (and I'm not sure about 2007 because I dunno which week BF was). I already justified my reasoning.

As for being affordable.

The arguement for 2009 was Not Affordable--->Price Cut/Slim-----> Affordable, more reliable (not first gen), and sexy. Many sexy new IP's around the corner

The arguement for 2011 is Affordable for 2 years, with lots of great games released with sequals------>Wii U announced, speculation on an upcoming PS4------> More Affordable, but few new IP's releasing.

Get the logic? A smaller price cut, on an already affordable console, this late into the consoles lifetime, especially with very few new IP's releasing...won't boost as many consoles as it did in 2009, when thoughts on the PS3 were more skeptical.

Also, didn't Blu-Ray just eliminate HD dvd in 2008 or 2009? At that point in time, people were also finally thinking of getting a Blu-Ray player and not worrying about getting the wrong device.



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Reasonable on 04 November 2011
yo_john117 said:
ils411 said:
yo_john117 said:
thismeintiel said:
yo_john117 said:

How about you learn to debate without attacking/name calling people. 

It's not in it's dying years. This year the 360 will probably match or be up YOY in the Americas not to mention next year it will probably do close to this year because there will be a price cut.

And you are assuming that the 360 will stop selling completely when the next box comes out which is not going to be the case at all. The only reason why MS pulled the original Xbox is because it was a black hole for money.

If you look at the numbers you will see it is possible that the 360 overtakes the PS2 sales in the Americas.

If you look at the numbers, the 360 is most likely going to finish down YOY.  The 360 sold ~8.31 mil in Americas last year, and has sold ~4.21 mil so far in Americas this year.  That's a difference of 4.1 mil.  We have 9 weeks of sales to go.  So in those 9 weeks, the 360 needs too pull off an average of ~456K a week there.  Last week it sold ~150K.  You can start to see how difficult it is going to be for the 360 to finish up YOY, or even on par with last year.

Now, you couple the above with the fact that the PS2 is greatly undertracked here (worth noting that even with the undertracking, even the DS hasn't quite passed the PS2 in America), and you can see that the 360 is going to struggle to even come close to the PS2's numbers.  Of course, it is also a moving target, as the PS2 is quite finished selling more than a few million in Americas in the next few years.

But aren't most of the undertracked PS2's from over in EMEAA? I can't imagine it's too undertracked in Americas (not more than a million or two)

And I don't think you really understand how much consoles sell during the Christmas season.

The 360 sold 4.23 million from now until the end of the year last year plus the 360 has been up YOY in the Americas for the past 4+ weeks. This week of sales are about 50k over the same week last year.

And then when you enter in the garanteed price cut for next year the 360 should come close to this years sales and in all probability the 360 will sell for years after the next box comes out.

 

I'm not saying it's a fact that the 360 will outsell the the PS2 in the Americas but it is very plausible.


Xbox360 outsell PS2 in the US? Its in the realm of possibility. As long as MS doesn't drop support like a rock and continue selling it while releasing good games for it even after the nextbox releases I could see it happening.

IMHO, the x360 is due for another hardware revision (Same with the PS3). Maybe MS will release a new true slim veriosn at $199 for the HDD version and $149 for the no HDD version. It will surelly take away sales from the Wii U.

IF was MS and or Sony, thats what I'd do to counter the Wii U and at the same time extend the life of my console. But thats just me.

Yeah I highly doubt MS will drop support for the 360 like they did for the Xbox. The only reason they did it for the Xbox was because it was a literal black hole of money for them.

MS had to drop Xbox originally.  As you say I'm sure 360 will be allowed to overlap with their next console.  For regions outside US if MS are smart they will look to use a very cheap 360 to extend the brand ahead of their new console.  A tough challenge admittedly because Sony have already done a great job with the PS2 doing that, which should set them up very well to do the same with the PS3, but any gain for MS is a gain really.

I don't see 360 overtaking PS2 LTD in US but it does have a chance vs no chance so far as I can tell from the numbers. 



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thx1139 on 04 November 2011

MS will not drop support for the 360 and like the PS2 and Sony once the next Xbox comes out as long as the console is still marketed and supported the 3rd parties will be glad to produce software for the 360.

Yes Kinect provided a big boost last year, but MS also miscalculated and didnt produce enougth so they ran out of 360s and Kinect constantly last year including very sparse supply last couple weeks of the holiday. This year that wont happen so it will be easier for casual shopper to purchase Kinect and 360 this year. Similiar to how Wii sales exploded during the initial holidays when Nintendo got supply problem handled. Not to the same extent, but over November and December 360 will sell as well as last year if not better.

Also seems 360 has an unofficial price cut. Look at this week nearly every major retailer has a gift card deal this week and seems next week will continue the trend. Also Best Buy currently online has a $100 gift card deal.



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 04 November 2011
Michael-5 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Michael-5 said:
 

I think Black Friday will be pro 360 because Black Friday is a US specific sales event, and in the US 360 typically outsells PS3 on a given week 2:1. It's less in the holidays, but 360 is always more favored, and if you look back at BF data, 360 always got a bigger boost (I think). you think to much. 2009 is the exception. my point was the Sony bundled games are newer so there more on the must have side, where as MS bundled games are not new so there not quite in demand. but GT5 tells a different story considering its up 50% each wk 

FFXIII-2 doesn't release outside of Japan intil late January, so only Japans boost is relevant here, and it will be big. Guess PS3 at best, could match 360 this fall overall. hold on 1 minute! Jan 31 which is good and bad considering ME3: wait ME3 comes out March 16th so that means Sony pretty much has the first 2 months of 2012? holly f'n hell. Jan./Feb. has mostly always been good to Sony and with TW coming out on Feb14th and Soul Calibur5 coming out in Jan. right along with FF13-2. PS3 sells should be higher then they've ever been for those 2 months. or at the least keep Sony ahead in the new yr. fighting games still do better on PS platforms. 

March has also been a good month to Sony, but other then Yakuza Dead Souls MS has March in the bag with software. lets see if that affects PS3 sells for the first time in 4 yr's i think.

I just have faith in Kinect. It's a stupid gimmick, but these gimmicks tend to push consoles. I think Nov/Dec numbers will be strong for MS due to Kinect, and If MS was smart they would make a cool Kinect bundle, not like the one they have now. i would say MS is not smart but they make billions a yr so that wouldn't make much sense. humm is this the same faith Seece is using? faith F'k faith. you'll need more then faith to covence me kinect will boost hardware! thats your weakest arguement yet and i can't say you've had many if any. but faith other then maybe religion is nothing more then blind. are you telling me your driving a train with no breaks blindfolded about to derail on to the streets running through schools, chuches and what ever else you can run through while driving a runaway train while blind cause you forgot your glasses at home but there right infont of you on the runaway speeding train but you can't see them cause your blind whether you put them on or not?

faith! you better come up with something better then that fast!

hell i don't have faith any of this will happenning. i look at whats out and whats coming out then i look and trends for yrs past and whts going on now, and with BF3 boosting PS3 hardware ww dispite higher preoders and sells ww on 360, and PS3 sells mainly in the EMEAA then i have no idea other then the past 4 or 5 yr's why a repeat of that most recent event of last wk won't happen when MW3 comes out. it can happen. it likely will happen. but we've already proven history doesn't always repeat itself or have you for gotten?

again when you when you quote this you better have something better then faith. 

PS3 bundles have newer games, yea, but it's not like Uncharted 3 will push that many more new gamers to buy a PS3 is Uncharted 2 did. It will obviously still push some, but many limited edition console buyers will buy the console out of sheer fanboyism. They did this for Halo and Gears in the past as well. meh. whatever happens it will be signifigant considering one factor and thats it has higher preorders then UC2, and did GEARS3 v GEARS2. srry but like GEARS although the bigger of the 2 UC3 will have a huge impact on PS3 hardware sells.

well it should anyway when you look at everything except R3.

With the 360 multi-game bundles, new gamers get a deal, and get 1 game from each major exclusive franchise, or from most of them. That I would imagine, would appeal to new console buyers more, and as they beat those older games, then they will get the newer versions used. They are clearly in no rush if they have no console yet. yep and as with PS3 bundles. why are we arguing this mute point? its not even an argument. its more like stateting the obvious. both consoles have relatively new games so for new buyers there even.

Console colours never come outside of Japan anymore. It's a shame because I really liked the N64 colours, and I waited to get my Wii in a special ed colour (got red). I think the White PS3 boosted sales in Japan in 2010 by 30k in mid summer for a week, so multi colours could boost PS3 sales by 50-100k during the fall, which seems exactly like that Halo: CEA will do. well lets see. 4 consoles. at 50k per console equal's 200k. or 400k. those are your numbers not mine? besides those consoles will stay on retail shelves so the boost won't stop thre. yea it is sad. hell we got multicolor controlers why not consoles?

I don;t get your comment about my history... your crazy. i wasn't talking about your history. it was a typo/miss print. look at the post below.

here re-read the post with the changes. the word change will be underlined in blod

COD! seriously? did we not just learn a valuable lesson by underestimating BD3's impact on PS3 sells? never the less i'm not blind deff and dumb cause we have history and it can repeat its self. on the other hand the 360 version of BF3 still sold better on 360 in the Americas and 360 still got thrashed on the hardware side so lets not give to much credit to 360 and favor it as the winner but its likely to be that way.

the most significant part of that post was history can repeat its self.

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People who buy consoles now, don't have any "must have" titles. They buy a 360 for Halo, and PS3 for Uncharted, and it's likely they will want to start their consoles life with the older games. 5 cheap games bundled in the console will likely entice new console buyers more then the newest version of 1 or two of those franchises. meh not to sure about that

Sony will have a good January/February, MS will likely break even for March, then who knows. yea

For faith. I feel Kinect will push sales in Novemeber/December because it's a casual add on, and like Wii Fit and the Wii, sales tend to jump in November/December. well i can except feel but i don't like that either. i feel nothing concerning this areguement. its all bout what i see. the proof. the facts vidence to support the claim. for every argument theres a counter until you both agree or say we arn't going to agree and agree to drop it, but thats not an issue for us. we've agreed allot more then most would think as a core 360fand PS3, PC fan would normaly. i also saw your arguing about black friday, but looking at the numbers other then 09 your right but wht makes it a pointless argument is that 360 only outsold PS3 by 1m on 1 of those friday's and that was in 07. when you can cut a gap from 1m to a few 100k then you've done something. 

50-100k was for all 4 consoles. The White PS3 of the mid summer also came with a hard drive boost, and November isn't the Japanese holiday season like it is elsewhere. Also many people interested in a coloured PS3, may have gotten a coloured PS3 in a previous limited edition coloured release, so adding colours now should be less dramatic. not sure about that. i'm sure its never the same colours.

History can repeat itself. Every time CoD launches, 360 gets better sales, again, except for 2009, and 2007 because CoD wasn't big then. 

now i flip the same coin i did in our last discution about this. history doesn't have to or always repeat its self. BF3 was a sure shot at majorly boosting 360 hardware more then PS3's, but we both saw what happened and got egged for it. and it always sell better on 360, but PS3 got the bigger boost this time.

i'm not doubting 360 will have a more significant boost then PS3 but over time COD on PS3 has become a more recognisable brand. take a look at the sells chartz for last wk and the ones that are up now. the only version of COD you see in the top 50 is the PS3 version, and its up wk over wk significantly. again i look at whats infront of me. average it out by what i know about it. and the come to a conclusion. and that conculsion with a rapedly closing gap. i'm not talking about the hardware gap. i'm talking about the softeware. the gape use to be about 6m i think in favor of 360 when concerning cod. but like everything else that gap continues to close and with both the console and software gap being less then 3m how can you think the 360 will outright have this boost over the PS3 version.

your using sound logic but you not taking everything and accounting for it. i guess that my job? if this was 07-08-10 then we wouldn't even be discussing this. but this is 2011 and most of all the software released multiplatform in the past is showing better legs on PS3.

if you tell me those leg don't mean sells when MW3 releases then you'd only be half right.
 





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LivingMetal on 04 November 2011
Michael-5 said:
LivingMetal said:
Michael-5 said:
 

Not the same idea. In 2009, the price cut was a much more dramatic effect because it put PS3 into the affordable price range. $200 was the point when all prior gen consoles sold the greatest, and with inflation, that value is closer to $300 (VGC had an article comparing Wii's launch price to prior Nintendo launch prices showing that with inflation, they have all been about the same. They did this to estimate Wii U's launch price, dunno where the article is).

So even if the 2011 price cut match the % cut of the 2009 price cut, it's less dramatic. It was already affordable.

When PSP cut it's price earlier this year, sales only lifted for a month, despite a strong price cut (wasn't it $180 to $120, a 33% cut?). If PSP or PS2 got 25% price cut now, sales would not double like PS3's did in 2009.

Also look at other years, 360 did sell better on other Black Fridays. Why is it logical for 360 to sell better on Black Friday then PS3? Well Black Friday is a US sales holiday, and guess what. 360 outsells PS3 nearly 2:1 in the Americas region.


Ok.  So if $300 placed the PS3 more into a more afforable price range (which I agree with you, then $250 (the $50 price drop from $300) makes it even more afforable.  You're doing a good job proving Pezus' point.  Again, you first said the "360 always got a bigger boost."  What is your reasoning, and why?

After I said "360 always got a bigger boost" I also wrote (I think). It's key not to edit that line out. I was correct for every year except 2009 (and I'm not sure about 2007 because I dunno which week BF was). I already justified my reasoning.

As for being affordable.

The arguement for 2009 was Not Affordable--->Price Cut/Slim-----> Affordable, more reliable (not first gen), and sexy. Many sexy new IP's around the corner

The arguement for 2011 is Affordable for 2 years, with lots of great games released with sequals------>Wii U announced, speculation on an upcoming PS4------> More Affordable, but few new IP's releasing.

Get the logic? A smaller price cut, on an already affordable console, this late into the consoles lifetime, especially with very few new IP's releasing...won't boost as many consoles as it did in 2009, when thoughts on the PS3 were more skeptical.

Also, didn't Blu-Ray just eliminate HD dvd in 2008 or 2009? At that point in time, people were also finally thinking of getting a Blu-Ray player and not worrying about getting the wrong device.

 

I was just asking for your resaoning as to why you though the Xbox 360 outsold the PS3 on Black Friday when it did.  So let me restate my question more clearly: Why do you think the Xbox 360 outsold the PS3 during Black Friday other than 2009?  And I personally do not think that the PS3 will outsell the Xbox 360 during Black Friday 2011, but it has a fighting chance.  The logic here is that a $250 price point is more attractive than a $300 price point, the PS3 has more retail content than the Xbox 360 because of its exclusives, most any newer multiplatform content on the Ps3 is at least just as good on the Xbox 360, the free PSN has matured more over the past two years, the Blu-ray market has also matured more which makes the PS3 more enticing, and the PS3 is still the newer console.  So the PS3 is on far more even footing with the Xbox 360 than ever.  Again, I'm not claiming the PS3 will outsell the Xbox 360 on Black Friday 2011.  And even if it doesn't, the factors I just pointed out still current apply to the worldwide market which helps valid the stated topic of this thread.

 

EDIT: Oh, and Blu-Ray started to eliminated HD-DVD in EARLY 2008 (January).  You can thank the market for that when consumer held off on movie sales on optical media which resulted in a decline of sales for the 2007 Christmas shopping season which resulted in Warner Brother dropping support for HD-DVD in favor of Blu-Ray which sealed HD-DVD's fate.



Michael-5 on 04 November 2011
LivingMetal said:
Michael-5 said:

After I said "360 always got a bigger boost" I also wrote (I think). It's key not to edit that line out. I was correct for every year except 2009 (and I'm not sure about 2007 because I dunno which week BF was). I already justified my reasoning.

As for being affordable.

The arguement for 2009 was Not Affordable--->Price Cut/Slim-----> Affordable, more reliable (not first gen), and sexy. Many sexy new IP's around the corner

The arguement for 2011 is Affordable for 2 years, with lots of great games released with sequals------>Wii U announced, speculation on an upcoming PS4------> More Affordable, but few new IP's releasing.

Get the logic? A smaller price cut, on an already affordable console, this late into the consoles lifetime, especially with very few new IP's releasing...won't boost as many consoles as it did in 2009, when thoughts on the PS3 were more skeptical.

Also, didn't Blu-Ray just eliminate HD dvd in 2008 or 2009? At that point in time, people were also finally thinking of getting a Blu-Ray player and not worrying about getting the wrong device.

 

I was just asking for your resaoning as to why you though the Xbox 360 outsold the PS3 on Black Friday when it did.  So let me restate my question more clearly: Why do you think the Xbox 360 outsold the PS3 during Black Friday other than 2009?  And I personally do not think that the PS3 will outsell the Xbox 360 during Black Friday 2011, but it has a fighting chance.  The logic here is that a $250 price point is more attractive than a $300 price point, the PS3 has more retail content than the Xbox 360 because of its exclusives, most any newer multiplatform content on the Ps3 is at least just as good on the Xbox 360, the free PSN has matured more over the past two years, the Blu-ray market has also matured more which makes the PS3 more enticing, and the PS3 is still the newer console.  So the PS3 is on far more even footing with the Xbox 360 than ever.  Again, I'm not claiming the PS3 will outsell the Xbox 360 on Black Friday 2011.  And even if it doesn't, the factors I just pointed out still current apply to the worldwide market which helps valid the stated topic of this thread.

 

EDIT: Oh, and Blu-Ray started to eliminated HD-DVD in EARLY 2008 (January).  You can thank the market for that when consumer held off on movie sales on optical media which resulted in a decline of sales for the 2007 Christmas shopping season which resulted in Warner Brother dropping support for HD-DVD in favor of Blu-Ray which sealed HD-DVD's fate.

I already answered your first question. Black Friday is a US sales event, where sales of consoles increase in the USA only. 360 is nearly twice as popular in this region as PS3, so naturally Black Friday should boost 360 sales more then PS3, even if the PS3 sees a greater % gain, t's weekly sales are far too much below 360's to match the boost 360 gets.

As for which will sell better, there are arguements/facotrs for both, and I agree with many of our points. However XBLG will soon get basic TV, and as of recently (this fall) 360 has seen more exclusives (Halo: CEA, Forza 4, Gears 3, Kinect Sports S2, Just Dance 2, + Kinect Shovelware vs. Uncharted 3 and Resistance 3). MS always pushes harder in the fall on a software front.



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Michael-5 on 04 November 2011
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
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I don't wanna spend anymore time on VGC...trying to cut back....wah... yea i'm not here all day. i'm on WWE.COM

People who buy consoles now, don't have any "must have" titles. They buy a 360 for Halo, and PS3 for Uncharted, and it's likely they will want to start their consoles life with the older games. 5 cheap games bundled in the console will likely entice new console buyers more then the newest version of 1 or two of those franchises. meh not to sure about that

Sony will have a good January/February, MS will likely break even for March, then who knows. yea

For faith. I feel Kinect will push sales in Novemeber/December because it's a casual add on, and like Wii Fit and the Wii, sales tend to jump in November/December. well i can except feel but i don't like that either. i feel nothing concerning this areguement. its all bout what i see. the proof. the facts vidence to support the claim. for every argument theres a counter until you both agree or say we arn't going to agree and agree to drop it, but thats not an issue for us. we've agreed allot more then most would think as a core 360fand PS3, PC fan would normaly. i also saw your arguing about black friday, but looking at the numbers other then 09 your right but wht makes it a pointless argument is that 360 only outsold PS3 by 1m on 1 of those friday's and that was in 07. when you can cut a gap from 1m to a few 100k then you've done something. 

50-100k was for all 4 consoles. The White PS3 of the mid summer also came with a hard drive boost, and November isn't the Japanese holiday season like it is elsewhere. Also many people interested in a coloured PS3, may have gotten a coloured PS3 in a previous limited edition coloured release, so adding colours now should be less dramatic. not sure about that. i'm sure its never the same colours.

History can repeat itself. Every time CoD launches, 360 gets better sales, again, except for 2009, and 2007 because CoD wasn't big then. 

now i flip the same coin i did in our last discution about this. history doesn't have to or always repeat its self. BF3 was a sure shot at majorly boosting 360 hardware more then PS3's, but we both saw what happened and got egged for it. and it always sell better on 360, but PS3 got the bigger boost this time.

i'm not doubting 360 will have a more significant boost then PS3 but over time COD on PS3 has become a more recognisable brand. take a look at the sells chartz for last wk and the ones that are up now. the only version of COD you see in the top 50 is the PS3 version, and its up wk over wk significantly. again i look at whats infront of me. average it out by what i know about it. and the come to a conclusion. and that conculsion with a rapedly closing gap. i'm not talking about the hardware gap. i'm talking about the softeware. the gape use to be about 6m i think in favor of 360 when concerning cod. but like everything else that gap continues to close and with both the console and software gap being less then 3m how can you think the 360 will outright have this boost over the PS3 version.

your using sound logic but you not taking everything and accounting for it. i guess that my job? if this was 07-08-10 then we wouldn't even be discussing this. but this is 2011 and most of all the software released multiplatform in the past is showing better legs on PS3.

if you tell me those leg don't mean sells when MW3 releases then you'd only be half right.
 



Like I said, 360 has a chance of cutting the gap. The gap this year is 1.5 million, which isn't huge. I think 360 should be able to cut it to the 500k-1 million range.

For colours, isn't white one of the colours this fall? White has been promoted several times, and I think red has been done before too.

Actually BF3 boosted 360 sales by 33% and PS3 sales by 20%. It boosted 360 more, but PS3 was just a little too far ahead of 360 for it to make 360 lead. However MW3 is a bigger game, it will break that threshold.

COD on PS3 is a more recognizable brand? Did you forget the PSN Catastrophe? CoD is a shooter, shooters are big on 360 => CoD is a 800lb Ape on Steroids with 360.

MW3 for PS3 almost dipped below Black Ops Pre-Orders, and is only looking to be above Black Ops Pre-Orders by a week. 3 weeks before release, MW3 on 360 topped Black Ops total Pre-orders. MW3 on 360 may end up with 50% the Black Ops, but for PS3, the jump may only be 20%.

As for the CoD Gap.....I've heard your arguement before, ad there is a simple answer. Look at the tie ratios. PS3 and 360 have been selling nearly on par for the last few years. So a 5 million hardware gap in 2007 plays a critical role when there are only 20-25 million consoles out there versus a 2 million hardware gap when there are nearly 60 million consoles out there. If you pay attention the the tie ratio (units of CoD sold compared to hardware units) 360 has always had more, and in fact, on 360 the tie ratio is growing faster then on PS3.

As for Black Ops legs, only after PSN went down, and there was a limited edition Black Ops PS3 bundle, did Black Ops start to sell more units on PS3 then 360. CoD doesn;t necessarily have better legs on P3 then 360. They are just more stable, where 360's legs are really fat along the thighs (the first 6 months).



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