Again, assuming best case scenario for PS3. You're chastising people for not accepting PS3 has 'won' yet talk about them not liking any further adjustments. Not sure how you expect people to take you seriously.

Regardless of how it ends up (because we're far from predicting a winner being so close, whether you force it on us or not. The fact it has ende dup so close is bound to have many post the way they are in regards to ties and what it took for both to get where they are today.

I don't wanna come across like you think they are, if the PS3 has won then gratz, I'll update the title and OP announcing PS3 has won and put my thoughts on the conclusion in here, but you're acting ridiculous.

This Sony not marketing as much as Microsoft excuse has to stop.

I think you've been here long enough to know how adjustments normally go here.  Not that its VGC's fault, but EMEAA just happens to be the hardest to track territory, and just so happens to be the territory the PS3 is normally undertracked in.  Even in an easier territory, the US, it was undertracked over 100K last month.  But those will come later, if they do at all, so I'm not trying to really harp on that. 

The point is, even without adjustments, the PS3 has already won by at least 200K(best case for the 360 and it outsells the PS3 a little next week) to 230K.  Many have obviously excepted this already because they are going into threads, like this one, and coming up with excuses as to why this isn't really a win for the PS3.  Whether its some hypotheticals about how the 360 could have won, talking about no 360 price cut (acting like the 2 months of $100 giftcards in its largest market did little to boost it) or how its just a statistical tie (of course, if it were the 360 winning by just 200K they'd giving praises aplenty).  While it is kinda annoying, I have to admit, it's also quite amusing. 

In the US I guess it counts, not just lack of marketing but poor marketing as well, or just generally going for the wrong audience. In the UK though, there have been tonnes of Playstation adverts recently, especially for games.

Depends on how you look at the word "mass". It recieved more than any other console. A whole lot more. It had more deals with giftcards over the Holidays than any other console.

I was talking about the Holidays, quite obviously, but if you want to go into 2010 "exclusives" that were actually meaningful...

PS3 Exclusives - God of War 3, MAG, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo 5, ModNation Racers, Sports Champions.
Game not on 360 - EyePet,

vs.

X360 Exclusives - Halo Reach, Fable 3, Crackdown 2, Kinect Adventures, Kinect Sports, Kinectimals, Dance Central.
Games not on PS3 - Splinter Cell Conviction, Mass Effect 2

Software lineups were fairly even in 2010 when you actually take time to look up what was released. 2011 is as we know, a totally different story.

Didn't the 360 also have that laptop deal in 2011 too? Along with all those giftcards?
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Anyway.

All this is pointless really. Not really sure why I even brought up these "excuses". Whoever wins, wins. Simple as that.

That's all well and good Carl, but you're STILL overlooking the fact that if MS had given away 500,000 Xboxes, they would have "won" 2011!

And if they had given away 1,000,000 Xboxes, they would have won even bigger!

The hilarious thing here is even if the final pre-corrected numbers showed that MS sold a single console more than SCE, NOBODY would even bother to bake up a list of hypothetical, useless reasons why the Xbox 360 didn't "win" in 2011. 

Mass bundling, gift cards and buy a windows laptop/phone and get a 4gb xbox really helped M$ out alot this year, but not enough. Kinect 4GB bundle going for 199 versus entry level ps3 for 249....I wonder which console the parents will buy? Cheaper one wins incase you didn't know the answer

M$ definitely sold more 4GB consoles with Kinect than 250gb versions during the holiday season.

Why would they talk about reason why it didn't win, when it did win? That honour would go to Sony fans.

Carl is right on one thing at least, whoever wins, wins, and that's that. Doesn't mean people can't give their opinion on the whole situation though ..

If you like predicting, predict here! - http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=138357&page=1

Huge marketing for Kinect and XB360 is a commercial move with effect on sales comparable to Sony's price cut and more exclusives released. The same effect reached with different means. We can't say they are the same, but their effects were the same, excellent sales.

Edit: and it can be said in a totally neutral way, like I just did.