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Michael-5 on 02 October 2011
pezus said:
Michael-5 said:
RolStoppable said:
 

But Call of Duty which is also available for PC somehow works as PS3 exclusive when you don't own a 360? Your comment certainly is ridiculous, but that's not exactly drawing a parallel to the statement you intended to counter, so it missed the mark.

Now of course Michael-5's statement was silly, but you need to practice your skills.

I don't see how what I said was silly. PC's are extremly expensive machines which don't get anywhere nearly the software sales consoles do. Being a 360/PC exclusive still makes it a "console exclusive" and that to me is still damn exclusive.

Price is irrelevant and PC software tracking is atrocious...besides, PC probably matches the number of players in most games on consoles because of a huge piracy problem. So there are many more that play games on PC than the sales try to hint at.

Oh I don't really use VGC data for PC sales. Most PC gamers buy off Steam.

Still price is relevant, how can you consider a PC as something that overthrows exclusivity if the price of the system were 5-10 more?

Also piracy, like I said. Any console game is playable on PC, legally too (You are not required to play console games on a console, but you forfit any warrenty and online service by choosing to play the game on PC). So How is any game exclusive then?



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Michael-5 on 02 October 2011
pezus said:
Michael-5 said:
pezus said:
Michael-5 said:
pezus said:
 

I don't have a 360 but I still don't go around calling Call of Duty PS3 exclusive

That's not the same thing. To own a gaming capable PC you need to spend at least $500 on a new machine, probably over $800 for a good one. Most people don't have that kind of money laying around. Also I could install programs on my PC (well not mine) to play PS3, 360, and Wii games, so how is any game exclusive then?

Having a 360 game play on the PC is the same as having a Wii exclusive also play on the DS. The Wii version is still an exclusive.

Well over here a 360 costs about $500 and PS3 about $520 so...But yeah, the price shouldn't be a factor. If the game has a PC version, it's not exclusive. Most of the time, the gameplay in PC and 360 versions of games is almost identical, while you're comparing Wii to the DS, where the versions often differ by a whole lot. I still wouldn't call a Wii/DS game Wii exclusive.

Yea see, last holiday season I saw a 360 Arcade for $130, and one of my friends said he saw one for $80 during the year. I've also seen 160GB PS's for $200 before on various sales. In North America consoles undercut the price of PC gaming quite a bit. I can buy all 3 consoles and both handhelds for the price of a PC that can play all of them.

For the HD consoles, as long as it's "exclusively not on" the other console, it's exclusive to me. LOL!

lol, fine...but I still won't call a game exclusive that is on more than one platform!

And hell, why don't I live in NA?? $130 is only a bit more expensive than one PS3 game over here!

Well normally an Arcade 360 is $200, and the 250GB 360 and 160GB PS3 are $300. However retailers like Wal-Mart and Best Buy often throw console sales. During the November/December months, it's not hard to get a console 33% off, and if you really look 50% off is possible, even after the holidays when retailers are just trying to clear stock.

That's why I don't consider a PC version as making a game not exclusive. Generally PC gamers form their own audience, and console gamers form their own too. If you can afford a PC and a console, why not own any console you want at this point?



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oniyide on 02 October 2011
Michael-5 said:
oniyide said:
pezus said:
Michael-5 said:
 

I loved Too Human. I like it more then I like Alan Wake and Heavy Rain. It's about on par with Fallout for me. I know the game had a lot of flaws, but in the end it was still a fun and difficult WRPG to play, and for once it actually felt like an RPG. Mass Effect has no real level or experience system, and Fallout isn't too critically dependant on it. In Too Human, you had to change your inventory every 30 minutes, often times after every boss, and bosses actually involved strategy to beat. It felt like an RPG, and being western it was different. Wish Silicon Knights just got more funding and polished out all the corners.

I don't have a gaming capable PC, so I consider anything console exclusive as exclusive.

What about Mass Effect 1, Project Gotham Racing 3 and 4,

As for Other JRPG's. Tales of Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, The Last Remnant (Don't count PC ports), Record of Agarest War 1 (like Disgaea), Magna Carta 2 (it's good, but nothing special).

Looking back, a lot of the great 360 exclusives really became timed exclusives. Oh well.

BTW What is your opinion on Halo and Halo Wars?

I don't have a 360 but I still don't go around calling Call of Duty PS3 exclusive

im sorry but Too Human had way too much funding anyway, it was in dev forever

well i consider anything on more than one platform as multiplat. ME1 multiplat, Project Gotham, never played it.

Tales of Vesperia, not really a fan of that series havent played one since Destiny that was PS1, probably check out the series when Graces and Xilia comes out. Infinite Undiscovery havent heard great things, last remnant havent heard good things and is on PC, Record of Agarest War is not even exclusive its on PS3 and i suck at SJRPGs. Magna Carta havent heard good things, your not really selling me on 360 exclusives

I dont have a problem with Halo, but like i told the other guy i just lost interest after the 2nd. Halo Wars is decent im just not into Strategy games that much

Infinite Undisvocery is a lot like Tales of Vesperia. It's actually a pretty good game, a must have if you are into JRPG's. Gametrailers gives this game a just review of 7.7/10 as it did has some flaws (poor lip sync).

Record of Agarest War 1 is exclusive, Zero is not. (checking VGC) Oh wait it was release on PS3 in Japan and Europe, but in Americas it's still 360 exclusive.

LOL I know, most 360 exclusives, the good ones, either have a PC counterpart (Left 4 Dead, Conviction, Fable, Mass Effect 1) or have eventually gone MP (Oblivion, Bioshock, Lost Planet, etc). I'm just a nut for JRPG's, so even though the JRPG's I named are only good, not great, they are the reason I own a 360. That + Gears, Halo, and Forza

So Halo you're meh? interesting. I started to like Halo more after 2, mainly because that's when I started to play it MP, and because I only got to play 2 when I bought my 360.

Im into JRPGs, but between PS3, Wii, DS and PSP i think im covered. Those JRPGS are not that good that im willing to shell out money for another console.

Record of Agarest War 1 is NOT exclusive. Not even in US, it was released via PSN. you do know PS3 is region free?? So its nothing for me to take my aass to gun hill rd. in the Bronx and just buy a copy.

ive played Hlo since the first one, im just fatigued with the series, there hasnt been that much changes over the years, but then again it probably does not need it.



Metallicube on 02 October 2011
RolStoppable said:
The Wii is doing great.

Gamecube, five years ago: 10,911 units.
Wii, present: 94,495 units.

Well that's a nice way of looking at it I suppose



Michael-5 on 02 October 2011
pezus said:
Michael-5 said:

Oh I don't really use VGC data for PC sales. Most PC gamers buy off Steam.

Still price is relevant, how can you consider a PC as something that overthrows exclusivity if the price of the system were 5-10 more?

Also piracy, like I said. Any console game is playable on PC, legally too (You are not required to play console games on a console, but you forfit any warrenty and online service by choosing to play the game on PC). So How is any game exclusive then?

1. Steam doesn't release data for sales. 

2. Why not? PS3 was insanely expensive over here when it released but that still counted.

3. I don't think PS3/360 games are playable on PC (for now...)

1. Ocassionally developers will state that they have sold x many copies. I say steam because steam is the largest distributor of digital sales.

2. 360 and PS3 were still much cheaper then a similar spec PC when they released. It's just a different market. Also 3 is a big reason too.

3. Windows 8 will be able to play X-Box 360 disks (so I hear), and there are systems which which you can download which will read a 360 or PS3 disk and play it. However for PS3 you need a Blu-Ray drive.  So if windows 8 plays 360 disks, are 360 games all together no longer exclusive?

A PC to me is not a gaming console. it's a computer which can be used to play PC games, or if manipulated console games. So it makes sense to look at 360/PC games as exclusives as they are exclusive console games on the 360.

As for your other point, I agree with you, but at the same time there is not much reason to own a PC if you have a 360 and PS3, which combined are cheaper then a decent PC.



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Michael-5 on 02 October 2011
RolStoppable said:
Michael-5 said:
RolStoppable said:

But Call of Duty which is also available for PC somehow works as PS3 exclusive when you don't own a 360? Your comment certainly is ridiculous, but that's not exactly drawing a parallel to the statement you intended to counter, so it missed the mark.

Now of course Michael-5's statement was silly, but you need to practice your skills.

I don't see how what I said was silly. PC's are extremly expensive machines which don't get anywhere nearly the software sales consoles do. Being a 360/PC exclusive still makes it a "console exclusive" and that to me is still damn exclusive.

The point of exclusives is that you have to buy one specific machine to play them legally. An exclusive game is a selling point for a system, so if someone asks why they should buy a 360, then you better list actual exclusives. Just because you can't afford or don't want to buy a gaming PC doesn't mean that others can't, don't want to or don't have one already.

Rules are set by objective standards, not your personal perception.

But a PC isn't a video game console, and with the right program you can play ALL PS3/360/Wii games legally.

So then is nothing exclusive? According to your logic, that's true right?

What about when Windows 8 comes out? It's suppose to play all 360 games off 360 disks, and support XBL. Will 360 then have no exclusives? The only difference now to windows 8 is that if you play a PS3 or 360 game on PC, you don't get online play because your not playing on a Sony PS3 or MS 360 console.



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Michael-5 on 02 October 2011
oniyide said:
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Infinite Undisvocery is a lot like Tales of Vesperia. It's actually a pretty good game, a must have if you are into JRPG's. Gametrailers gives this game a just review of 7.7/10 as it did has some flaws (poor lip sync).

Record of Agarest War 1 is exclusive, Zero is not. (checking VGC) Oh wait it was release on PS3 in Japan and Europe, but in Americas it's still 360 exclusive.

LOL I know, most 360 exclusives, the good ones, either have a PC counterpart (Left 4 Dead, Conviction, Fable, Mass Effect 1) or have eventually gone MP (Oblivion, Bioshock, Lost Planet, etc). I'm just a nut for JRPG's, so even though the JRPG's I named are only good, not great, they are the reason I own a 360. That + Gears, Halo, and Forza

So Halo you're meh? interesting. I started to like Halo more after 2, mainly because that's when I started to play it MP, and because I only got to play 2 when I bought my 360.

Im into JRPGs, but between PS3, Wii, DS and PSP i think im covered. Those JRPGS are not that good that im willing to shell out money for another console.

Record of Agarest War 1 is NOT exclusive. Not even in US, it was released via PSN. you do know PS3 is region free?? So its nothing for me to take my aass to gun hill rd. in the Bronx and just buy a copy.

ive played Hlo since the first one, im just fatigued with the series, there hasnt been that much changes over the years, but then again it probably does not need it.

What JRPG's does Wii have? Tales of Symphonia 2 and Arc Rise Phantasia? lol. PS3 is also really lacking, but I guess the 360 exclusive JRPG's aren't your style. Black Friday 360's go really cheap, if you look $100 US is possible for an Arcade system, and that's all you need. I still use my 12GB system, with no memory issues at all, and I download DLC.

As for Halo, oh well it's not your type. Still unusual to hear a JRPG fan go meh at all the JRPG's, and only like Gears. You have your own preferences, I can't argue with that, shocking as they are.

Guess if you have a gaming capable PC, there is no point owning a 360, or a PS3 as well if you have the right program, but boxed PC/360 games have online so :P.



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Carl on 02 October 2011

A game on multiple platforms is a multiplat.

That is all.



                            

Blood_Tears on 02 October 2011
Michael-5 said:
oniyide said:
pezus said:
Michael-5 said:
 

I loved Too Human. I like it more then I like Alan Wake and Heavy Rain. It's about on par with Fallout for me. I know the game had a lot of flaws, but in the end it was still a fun and difficult WRPG to play, and for once it actually felt like an RPG. Mass Effect has no real level or experience system, and Fallout isn't too critically dependant on it. In Too Human, you had to change your inventory every 30 minutes, often times after every boss, and bosses actually involved strategy to beat. It felt like an RPG, and being western it was different. Wish Silicon Knights just got more funding and polished out all the corners.

I don't have a gaming capable PC, so I consider anything console exclusive as exclusive.

What about Mass Effect 1, Project Gotham Racing 3 and 4,

As for Other JRPG's. Tales of Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, The Last Remnant (Don't count PC ports), Record of Agarest War 1 (like Disgaea), Magna Carta 2 (it's good, but nothing special).

Looking back, a lot of the great 360 exclusives really became timed exclusives. Oh well.

BTW What is your opinion on Halo and Halo Wars?

I don't have a 360 but I still don't go around calling Call of Duty PS3 exclusive

im sorry but Too Human had way too much funding anyway, it was in dev forever

well i consider anything on more than one platform as multiplat. ME1 multiplat, Project Gotham, never played it.

Tales of Vesperia, not really a fan of that series havent played one since Destiny that was PS1, probably check out the series when Graces and Xilia comes out. Infinite Undiscovery havent heard great things, last remnant havent heard good things and is on PC, Record of Agarest War is not even exclusive its on PS3 and i suck at SJRPGs. Magna Carta havent heard good things, your not really selling me on 360 exclusives

I dont have a problem with Halo, but like i told the other guy i just lost interest after the 2nd. Halo Wars is decent im just not into Strategy games that much

Infinite Undisvocery is a lot like Tales of Vesperia. It's actually a pretty good game, a must have if you are into JRPG's. Gametrailers gives this game a just review of 7.7/10 as it did has some flaws (poor lip sync).

Record of Agarest War 1 is exclusive, Zero is not. (checking VGC) Oh wait it was release on PS3 in Japan and Europe, but in Americas it's still 360 exclusive.

LOL I know, most 360 exclusives, the good ones, either have a PC counterpart (Left 4 Dead, Conviction, Fable, Mass Effect 1) or have eventually gone MP (Oblivion, Bioshock, Lost Planet, etc). I'm just a nut for JRPG's, so even though the JRPG's I named are only good, not great, they are the reason I own a 360. That + Gears, Halo, and Forza

So Halo you're meh? interesting. I started to like Halo more after 2, mainly because that's when I started to play it MP, and because I only got to play 2 when I bought my 360.

Record of Agarest War was released in Europe via retail disc, and in NA via PSN download the same date as the 360 version. Also the Tales of Vesperia english fan translation is almost finished at  http://talesofvesperia.net/ so technically that won't be exclusive since PS3 is region free.



Jay520 on 02 October 2011
Michael-5 said:
RolStoppable said:
Michael-5 said:
RolStoppable said:

But Call of Duty which is also available for PC somehow works as PS3 exclusive when you don't own a 360? Your comment certainly is ridiculous, but that's not exactly drawing a parallel to the statement you intended to counter, so it missed the mark.

Now of course Michael-5's statement was silly, but you need to practice your skills.

I don't see how what I said was silly. PC's are extremly expensive machines which don't get anywhere nearly the software sales consoles do. Being a 360/PC exclusive still makes it a "console exclusive" and that to me is still damn exclusive.

The point of exclusives is that you have to buy one specific machine to play them legally. An exclusive game is a selling point for a system, so if someone asks why they should buy a 360, then you better list actual exclusives. Just because you can't afford or don't want to buy a gaming PC doesn't mean that others can't, don't want to or don't have one already.

Rules are set by objective standards, not your personal perception.

But a PC isn't a video game console, and with the right program you can play ALL PS3/360/Wii games legally.



Really? Legally? Link PLEASE!