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Forums - Politics Discussion - Group of Students at Berkley prices Bakesale items by Ethnicity/Race to Protest State Bill 185

I'm all debated out about this topic, so to make my lengthy responses short:

1. If any of their moms went to college, they shouldn't be complaining.
2. Not really.
3. Yes.



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This protest is faulty. There is no discount for gay people, or for non-Christians.



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Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
Now that i'm actually in college, i say let the affirmative action roll

I think you just answered Mr stickballs question.

Relativly few people are kept out of the best school they could theoretically get into due to quotas... and even then by the time they do it's too late.

While everyone loves them some baked goods.

Wait, I thought you said in a previous thread that you were against such practices...



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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homer said:
Colleges should be color blind and unable to distinguish between genders. So should the rest of the world.

That won't happen even if people become literally blind.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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It’s not the same thing but a couple of years before I started in University the department of Computer Science dramatically lowered their standards and let in far more students because there was significant pressure to increase the number of graduates. The result they saw from this was that most of the people they let into the department had either failed out or switched degrees by the time they entered their third year.

I can't help but wonder what the graduation rate is of these less qualified applicants who were let into school based on their race. Based on their academic history one would expect them to be close to the bottom of their class and the most likely to fail out of school ...



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Gender, social and economical status, religion, race, etc. shouldn't have anything to do with whether or not you are accepted into University. Variation can be good but it's not something that should be forced using quotas.



afi77 said:
The only problem is, based on the price scale; Whites pay full price and the "inferior" races pay less based on how much more inferior they are compared to whites. I know that's probably not the intention, but it is certainly implied.

You're missing the point. There is a prospective law that would allow colleges to take into consideration race and gender for admissions, which is just as wrong as the bake sale. It's the same situation in a comical setting.



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sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
Now that i'm actually in college, i say let the affirmative action roll

I think you just answered Mr stickballs question.

Relativly few people are kept out of the best school they could theoretically get into due to quotas... and even then by the time they do it's too late.

While everyone loves them some baked goods.

Wait, I thought you said in a previous thread that you were against such practices...

Stickballs question was "Why do people get upset over such practives when it comes to buying something, and not upset when it comes to college admissions."

My point was that the amount of people going to college is small, and the population of people being kept out because of their race is even smaller, and honestly, the percentage that know that is even smaller.

 

So people aren't outraged because it doesn't hurt them of effect them.  While everyone does like sweets, so word of different pricing in that makes people mad. 


For example, if you had to pay .50 cents more a gallon for gas because your white....a  LOT of people were mad.   If you had to pay .50 cents more for an Anime boxset direct from japan... the country at large wouldn't give a damn.

 

Aside from which... my actual position on the matter is a lot more complicated then a simple "for or against" honestly.

When it comes to different thinking styles being added in, i'm definitly for it....

past that it gets tricky on a Macro/Micro level.

On a Macro level you see the divide between the races growing and you want to do something to directly adress that...

However on the Micro level you realize races aren't two different "teams" and that for every Warren Buffet, there are hundreds of poor white people who are worse off then tons of minorities who would receive help from an attempt to close the wealth gap.

Espiecally when you realize from a Macro prospective, the quickest way to close the racial wealth gap would be to target the rich and middleclass of the minority group, and not the poor... to make more minority millionaires and billonaires, rather then try and build up the poor.

 

This is largely why in general  a "bottom up" approach is prefered by even most Democrats to just help all of the poor, and then watch the racial gap shrink as a result.

 

Of course, the problem is that they use the oldschool throwing money at the problem style government that never works... because the poor don't need more or more schooling persay, they need more "wealth" connections.

The problem with most minorities and poor white people is they are out by themselves.

There is a big differnece between someone making $20,000 a year who has a diverse family with some successful people in it, and someone making $20,000 a year whose entire family is struggling just like them.


No matter what advantages you give people, a great number of them are going to slip downwards again due to a lack of a wealth base.  (which again oddly points to the solution being not an equal distribution, but making a few people very successful and hope they pass it along to friends and relatives.)



Oh and additionally an issue is that by making race a factor you may inadvertently put in minority students heads they they don't deserve to be here and are only there because of the color of their skin....

even some of the ones that would of gotten in anyway.

It kinda reminds me of the story of Wahneema Lubiano who went to a regular college but was intimidated by a racist comment made by her guidance councilor which put too much pressure on her forcing her to drop out, and not realize her potential until she went to an all black school.