Seece said:
thismeintiel said:
I just don't get your seemingly blind devotion to this Kinect add-on. Yes, I said add-on.
No of course you don't, you never will. Yes it is an add on, its lifespan and the way it sells won't be remotely like an add on though, as I've explained upteem times with proof, the thing was at a 50% bundle ratio over the holiday's, it's selling like a new console to new owners whether you like it or not.
That's because that is what it is. And it can't be considered anything more until MS bundles it with EVERY 360 sold. It definitely can't be considered a console when in America (360 and Kinect's biggest market) VGC shows that Kinect Adventures/Kinect sold only 15,000 units, while the 360 itself sold 75,000 units. That means that ~ 60,000 of the people who bought 360 last week had no interest in picking up the Kinect with it.
Will wait for shipments on that one. I don't believe it's only shipped 1 mill since march, I agree it's slowed down but not that much.
As far as this holiday goes, it seems you think Kinect will repeat, or at least come close to repeating, its success from last year. That is just not going to happen.
Microsoft have designs on being WW #1 this holiday, whether you believe them or not they have a better idea on this thing than you, they also have the plans in front of them on how they expect to get to #1 and it involves kinect more this christmas than last. I do find it funny when PS3 fans on this forum completely ignore all their sentiments, fair enough it's not 100% dead cert, even I don't believe that, but I also don't believe they would be behaving the way they are without good reason, they've had several holidays with the 360, they're not just going to start declaring they're going to be #1 WW on the basis of kinect being down and Gears and Fora pushing it there after wii and PS3 just got cuts. Use your head.
Kinect had a huge help from a large campaign and the fact that it was the new IT electronic device that the public, mostly Americans, ate up. This holiday, it will have none of those things going for it.
Like I said, it's selling like a console, and no console peaks in its first holiday. You don't even know what Microsofts approach is with Kinect this holiday, the fact they're going to push live TV in their adverts will be very new for a lot of people. Exactly how is Kinect different to the 360 or Wii in terms of how it's going to sell hmm? It has its own SW to appeal, it has its own price cuts (whenever they come) and to its target audience it's treated like a console. It isn't 360 for them, it's kinect 360, its why they bought the damn thing.
Sure, they'll adverstise it, but nothing like that initial push.
They've already said they're going to match last holidays push, even more so with the live tv thing.
And it definitely isn't new.
Doesn't fucking matter.
The 3DS will most likely take the crown of the new IT thing to buy the kiddies this year.
WW? Sure. Americas, open to debate.
Thing only thing that will help push Kinect to be close to last year's success is a big price drop for it. Somewhere around $80, plus a $50 cut for the 360 itself.
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Bold #1 - You say the Kinect's lifespan as if it has been out for years, when it hasn't even been a year, yet. You should wait a couple of years before you talk about how it's selling just like a console would. Either way, Kinect is only an add-on, an add-on that has sold extremely well initially. You can't play Kinect Adventures with just the Kinect and a copy of the game. So, in the end, it doesn't matter how well it sells, it's still just an add-on.
Bold #2 - Obviously, it can't be selling like hotcakes anymore, as MS decided not to release shipment numbers this past quarterly financial report.
Bold #3 - It doesn't matter what MS is expecting, it doesn't make it so. Besides, they may know what they are going to do, but they sure as heck don't know what the competition is going to do to counter it. And for all anyone knows, the Wii could have another surprise holiday this year and take the #1 spot again. Either way, the 360 is going to have to make up for a 1 million unit gap (that for the next few weeks will continue to grow). Looking at last year, even with the huge launch of Kinect and a new model, the 360 was only able to outsell the PS3 by ~460K from mid-September-December. And for the whole year, the PS3 actually outsold it by ~780K.
Bold #5 - Links.
Bold #6 - Does fucking matter. Especially for an add-on.
Bold #7 - The 3DS is already outselling it in Americas because of the price cut. Of course, it still may be slightly overtracked. Either way, the 3DS is getting a Mario game this November (and most likely holiday bundles with it included), which is definitely going to give it a big boost for the holiday season. That and this will be the 3DS's first holiday is going to make the 3DS very appealing in all regions. More so than a 1 year old add-on for a 6 year old console. And that's not to say the 360 won't do well in America, because I'm certain it will. Just not as well as the 3DS.
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