morenoingrato said: M.U.G.E.N said: morenoingrato said: What a backslash, really Square Enix? Is this how you wanna treat your amazinly loyal fanbase? Also, @ M.U.G.E.N: No "Dragon Quest X should have been on PS3" comment? why would i make that comment in 'this' thread? :S already said it's a stupid move on their part to not go with a ps3 port of the game as well (in the original thread)..always have always will Won't go off topic, but if you are gonna use the classic Tales argument... different game, different fanbase. GT wouldn't sell on Wii

first off you say you won't go off topic..but doing just that

second of course not..heck GT can't be even run on the wii..heck at least use a similar game/genre/sales potential

third if you for a second think DQX wouldn't have done well on ps3 you are being delusional..the system is doing really well on RPG sales front and has much better momentum currently than the wii in Japan

fourth, as I have said so many times already, I doubt any of you can come up with a proper decent argument against why DQX should have gone multiplat with the ps3..ps3 can more than handle the games visuals, it's already being developed for wiiu so dev time is not the concern either and ps3 has a really good rpg fanbase and selling really well currently. this only benefits ninty and they obviously money hatted the project hence the current result. am I angry about it? hell no...the only RPG's I've enjoyed this gen are Valkyria chronicles/Demon Souls/PSP FF games. the best approach for better sales would have been to go multi with ps3 or handhelds or both.

you know what, better than going off topic here why don't you make a thread about this? and actually put some decent arguments as why my opinion is wrong in your view and we can really have a good discussion. you can even quote this answer in it to kick things off

which is pretty much the reality of it and is what I said. the only thing is tho doesn't matter if it a port or not since most multiplats are ported over from the lead platform afaik, wii/wiiu IS going multiplatform by definition. it's like ps3/vita games...connected but two platforms.

If the game is worth it I don't have a problem with monthly fees, but with Square Enix's track record I'm expecting this game will be slightly better than awful ...

With that said, many companies are so interested in MMO games because of their user fees. The reason for this is simple, after you have a large enough user-base you will break even and each user after that is mostly profit; and a very small dedicated user-base can generate more profit through user-fees than a larger user-base can generate through sales.

Hypothetically speaking, if you had a game like DQX selling 2 million units on the Wii/Wii U and having a userbase of 500,000 users who pay a monthly fee of $12 for 2 years you would end up with a game that was (potentially) as profitable as a game that sold 5 to 10 million copies.

My honest opinion is that this game, much like Monster Hunter Tri, is going to have subscription fees in Japan only. I think the games and compaines are in very similar situations and I would nt be surprised at all if SquareEnix saw what Nintendo did with Monster Hunter Tri and said, "we want a deal very similar to what you did for Capcom" and the business side was worked on in that manner.

As far as paying myself, after playing Monster Hunter Tri online for around 8 billion hours, I would say that if the game has the same kind of addicitve qualities, I have the same addicitve personalities and by letting me start off online to, "taste" the game, I can see myself paying a subscription fee. When Monster Hunter Tri was about to be released, I was very hard pressed about not having to pay a fee but the game was so worth it, paying a fee would have actually been justified in my opinion.

I felt the same about Everquest unitl I started to really get into it, then I felt the subscription fee was worth the price of admission. A game can win me over, and exceptions can be made, but I am still mostly against online subscription fees. Especially anything to do with FPS games.

My interest in this game is not nearly as high as I wanted it to be though. It looks ok and I will probably get it but it does not look Monster Hunter Tri good or anything like that. Not yet.

if what you say is true, then why did FF7 have such record numbers?? Despite the series being on Ninty systems for 2 gens??  I disagree respectfully, most people will go where the games are, no matter what console

Well to be fair, FF 7 WAS multiplat. There was a PC version that released later, dont know how well that did. If your talking N64, that version would have sucked because it would have lacked the features you already mention, plus N64 has a smaller user base than PS, so people would still just buy the PS version and it would have sole the same IMHO

Isn't Nintendo publishing this game or something?

 I believe the deal to be similar to the Dragon Quest deal. Nintendo promised to try to make the series a success in the West.

A charge usually brought against Nintendo consoles is that only their own titles sell. So, publishing series like DQ or Monster Hunter with the same support Nintendo gives their own titles makes them appear as Nintendo properties. That alone increases the chances of success significantly.

At least that is what I think Nintendo promised. Sony would have given them money for exclusivity as well, but their chances of turning MonHun and DQ into global brands might be lower than Nintendo's in the developers' eyes.

A quote from a GAF poster that I agree with. You say this only benefits Nintendo. If that were true the devs wouldn't make it exclusive would they?

Edit: Also, if you're such a big fan of DQ ( As I assumed from reading your posts), how about playing on the console it's on. What does it matter if it's on a Nintendo or Sony console? Favorite Franchises > Brand Loyalty.

Edit: should mention that I don't think MH will be going exclusive.

I don't get it..most of you guys seem to read what you THINK is there yet you end up saying exactly the same thing I'm saying...this is getting silly. OFCOURSE there must be some sort of a deal going on between the two parties...if not it's a rather stupid business move

btw I strongly disagree on the MH/DQ global appeal crap..sony has done it before..give them the chance and they will do it again :) Sony has maintained great sales for RPG's in and out of Japan. and honestly man..how the hell can you argue a multiplat release wouldn't have benefited SE and sales? I mean really? none of you have yet to come up with one decent argument against that. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what's going on here.they made it exclusive cuz Ninty 'sponsored' them. nothing more nothing less and I'm getting tired of repeating myself without being understood and argued back with fluff. I mean hell MHTri didn't sell even a million outside of Japan now did it? so much for the global appeal creation. devs can't be THAT stupid surely. DQ never had a big appeal on home consoles outside of Japan, it's just the nature of the game. But the highest selling home console DQ belongs to a sony platform also. I would be honestly surprised if the next MonHun on home consoles didn't end up on ps3...would be ideal to go multiplat with WiiU

and no, if you read my posts you will see I have clearly stated I don't give a rats ass about this series or most RPG's in general so this doesn't affect me the slightest. I'm just pointing out the obvious, it would have done much better going multi wii/ps3 and wiiu sales wise, only logical reason it didn't was cuz of a dealing between the companies. logic > jumping to conclusions, I bought a ds for games like Layton..would have bought a wii too if I had few games in it that really interested me..but it doesn't..I have access to xboxes very conveniently hence why I played Halo reach and others and had no problem. Don't misunderstand the kind of gamer I am..thanks to new layton games etc I will without fail buy a 3ds sooner or later as well

people hated ff13 not cuz it was multiplat (other than the initial rage on the net) they hated it cuz of the departure and linear nature of the game. we had so many threads on the subject. fans defending a title cuz its exclusive doesn't affect the quality or the overall reception either. not saying exclusive games don't have it's pros cuz I totally agree. but considering how wii and ps3 are in japan and ww currently, multiplat would have benefited this game the most.