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Not sure why in this day and age people are so much against sexuality, but perfectly fine with violence.  I noticed that one of the anti-sexuality people was a guy who kept posting about how countries should increase warfare and military around the world.



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Jumpin said:

Not sure why in this day and age people are so much against sexuality, but perfectly fine with violence.  I noticed that one of the anti-sexuality people was a guy who kept posting about how countries should increase warfare and military around the world.


This is key to my beliefs. I don't agree with violence for the sake of violence I believe in its use to stop violence and keep peace and prosperity. The key to that belief is "If a man sees someone commit a crime and has the power to stop it, but chooses not to they are as guilty as the man commiting the crime".

As such I believe countries should have weapons and troops to protect the civilians and lives of the people within their countries and abroad. If the Taliban start massacring people or Gaddafi starts killing innocent civilians etc...etc.. and we have the military capacity to stop them but do not. Then we may as well be commiting the atrocities ourselves.

This does not mean I think violence should be used in all cases. We can use economics as well such as sanctions. But the military plays a big role in protecting people's lives and rights. Keeping people safe from tyrants.

So you see , no I am not one to say violence is a good answer and that we should solve all our disputes with violence. However when violence is used or people are being treated horribly , and a military or act of violence can restore order and justice and stop those people from being harmed and mistreated. Then I believe their is a place for armed intervention.

In other words violence with the sole goal of stopping violence!



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Jumpin said:

Not sure why in this day and age people are so much against sexuality, but perfectly fine with violence.  I noticed that one of the anti-sexuality people was a guy who kept posting about how countries should increase warfare and military around the world.

Quite true. I guess those people go by the motto 'make war, not love'.



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Joelcool7 said:

If a man sees someone commit a crime and has the power to stop it, but chooses not to they are as guilty as the man commiting the crime".

About that part, the police will tell you to call them instead of interfering. And you might get in trouble for playing good samaritan, too.

Remember, no good deed goes unpunished.



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Joelcool7 said:
RCTjunkie said:
Sure, let's exploit women and degrade them in the name of protecting other animals.

That'll get us respect, right guys?


I was just going to right something just like this.

The fact that PETA supports the porn industry by hiring porn stars for their shoots and promo's is so wrong. Lets treat humans worse then animals to draw attention to how animals are mistreated. At least we don't force animals to fuck infront of camera's for treats for our own pleasure. Infact I've seen some pretty nasty shit.

What about sex slavery and such, demeaning women like this a promoting exploitation of them and degrading them. Is not a way to gain respect and have people take your cause seriously!

How are they treating women badly? Are the women being forced into doing porn? Are they slaves? Do the women feel they are being exploited? Who are you to judge them and tell them how to live if it doesn't affect your life? I'm honestly disgusted with your low opinion of women, that you'd even think that the women doing porn can't even think for themselves, defend themselves or choose what they want to do with their body is insulting. 

Animals don't have the ability to choose how to live, they can't defend themselves and are bred to be killed and eaten. Women are not bred to be put in front of a camera for porn, it's their choice to do so, so please avoid making such idiotic comparisons.

I also find it insulting that you feel that the women involved need defending, but the men involved are obviously in no need of defence. Won't you cry out in outrage for the men who are being degraded!

Actually I believe all men in the industry should be arrested and charged with prostitution. Yes I am outraged with the men who are being degraded on film and in places like Boy's town in Thailand.

Fact is while some pornstars are there by choice many are not. In asian countries and in some european countries the women and yes in lesser cases but still existant men are forced into these actions. Just because some pornstars in North America and parts of Europe and Asia do it by choice doesn't mean they all do. As such it is degrading to those who don't do it by choice.

Not to mention humans aren't only good for sexual gratification. The porn industry teaches people that they are only good for sex. Sure a women or man may enter the industry of their free will. But that doesn't mean its any less degrading to those who don't or even to the image of women and men in our society.

People choose to work with septic system's does that mean sitting in someone's shit isn't demeaning and degrading?

Just because someone does something of their free will doesn't make it any less degrading. Especially when Porn entraps millions and as I said degrades and mistreats millions of people.

As for animal's having no free will and being eaten.

If you released all the animals right now what would happen? They would eat each other and go on living and being eaten. The food cycle would continue with or without us. So should we stop eating animals and just set them free to be eaten by every other animal? Or maybe we should protect the vegitable eating animals and kill all the carnivores so animal's aren't eaten.

Seriously we are part of the food chain. Animals are part of the food chain. Thats how God created it. Animals treat each other just as bad as we treat animals. I mean one day my cat captured a mouse, rather then put it out of its misery it brought the mouse in the house. Then let it go before catching it again, bit it abit till it was bleeding and let it go again. Caught it again and this time batted it around for half an hour or so before letting it go a third time. Then finally it caught it and ripped its head off.

Now am I saying we should be animal's , no. I'm simply saying animals are animals and humans are humans. We shouldn't treat humans like animals and we shouldn't treat animals like humans.

Do I agree with some of the practices by big food corporations, no. Do I agree with the treatment of dog's in some breeders and in China. No. Do I believe in animal cruelty No.

But animals exist to eat and be eaten. Thats the way it always has been and will always be.

Are you suggesting it should be otherwise, and if so please enlighten me on how we are supposed to change the whole world's food chain?

Cocoa farm slavery is a leading form of slavery in West Africa. Children are put to work at a young age and are forced to work for most of their lives in searing heats while doing back breaking labour. Should cocoa farming be banned? Should Cadbury stop their legal methods of cocoa farming because some people in the world are using slavery as their method for farming. The same thing applies to soliders, police, governments and even doctors, the illegal world of those professions shouldn't have to misalign our judgement of the legal side.

You seem to want a dictatorship, to strip away the choices and freedom of modern man and replace it with rules based around your own ideals of what is right and wrong, which is of course altered by your obsessive view of religion (and thats never a good thing). The women and men that are forced to portray themselves in a sexual manner in other countries are not pornstars, infact there is nothing starry about their portrayal. The fact that you made comparison is demeaning to all the pornstars who treat porn as a legitimate job, have families, have lived full lives and are a happy. Once again, who are you to judge what is degrading and not degrading? I think being a missionary or a priest is one of the most bile inducing things in the world, but doesn't mean that I instantly compare them brain washing parasites, because that'd be stupid and I have no right to judge them based on their legally horrible acts.

Now to the silly animal point you made. Animals don't mass breed humans and then slaughter us in the millions on a daily basis, God isn't real so your whole religous angle sounds like crazy talk and animals exist to maintain an ecosystem, one that has been consderably out of balance as of the last 30 years. Eating animals is a way of life, we should continue eating them, but mass producing them to the point that we do and then treating them the way we do is wrong and has negative affect on both them and us in the grand scheme of things.

Most animal protection organisations don't want us to completely stop eating meat, they just want us to calm the fuck down and not breath in three whole chickens for every meal and then throw out the other three we couldn't finish. They don't want us to uneccesarily do the unesseciary, it's the same thing with water usage, oil usage and electricity usage, if we over exert our use and waste so much of it, then in the end we are all fucked.

Once again, your views on what a pornstar is, is wrong, you should fix that. For every legal profession in the world there is an illegal connotation that could be taking part somewhere else, that doesn't mean that the legal and proper professions should be degraded and made illegal just because someone else is misrepresenting, otherwise being a priest would be banned.

Also, prostitution is the act of providing sexual services to another person in return of payment, pornstars don't pay each other to have sex with each other, they are no different than naked actors. Prostitution is also legal in many civilised parts of the world, I don't consider the areas that don't have legal prostituion very civilised, only because their putting a contrstaint on freedom. If you think things like prostitution and porn should be monitored more closely, then that's a different story, but being anti-sexual is being from a bygone era that was basing it's beliefs around a story book when it should have been based around freedom, common sense and human understanding.



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There is the argument that consumption of pornography leads to an increased demand in the market for sex slaves (as a great many prostitutes aren't in that trade willingly, and that is a fact), which then of course leads to irrevocably ruined lives, though i haven't seen that link as clearly. I mean, i loves me some porn, but i wouldn't solicit prostitution

Legalizing prostitution might fix the problem of sex slavery, however, since government oversight could help minimize the possibilities that brothels are stocked with girls as young as 12 abducted from Cambodia, or (as is often the case) American runaway children who got lured into that underworld somehow



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RCTjunkie said:
Sure, let's exploit women and degrade them in the name of protecting other animals.

That'll get us respect, right guys?

What you didn't know. Always animals before women. 



Jumpin said:

Not sure why in this day and age people are so much against sexuality, but perfectly fine with violence.  I noticed that one of the anti-sexuality people was a guy who kept posting about how countries should increase warfare and military around the world.

Can't let sex win. If people are sexually content and happy. How is church and state going to make people fight. 



Joelcool7 said:
RCTjunkie said:
Sure, let's exploit women and degrade them in the name of protecting other animals.

That'll get us respect, right guys?


I was just going to right something just like this.

The fact that PETA supports the porn industry by hiring porn stars for their shoots and promo's is so wrong. Lets treat humans worse then animals to draw attention to how animals are mistreated. At least we don't force animals to fuck infront of camera's for treats for our own pleasure. Infact I've seen some pretty nasty shit.

What about sex slavery and such, demeaning women like this a promoting exploitation of them and degrading them. Is not a way to gain respect and have people take your cause seriously!

since when can women willingly posing for photo shoots be compared to sexual slavery?



If you can afford it, then you should purchase your meat and dairy from Farmer's Markets or other equivalents. The way animals are mistreated in slaughterhouses is painful to fathom and I really applaud PETA for their pursuits. If it takes launching a porn site to grab people's attentions, then so be it; because the way we're currently treating animals is degrading not only to animals, but to ourselves. I refuse to purchase food from fast food joints mainly because: a) I'm a health freak and b) because I know the meat provided in those joints comes from an animal that was tortured, brutally maimed and exploited of. I could never eat that meat because I feel as though I myself am torturing and exploiting that animal.