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Michael-5 on 19 August 2011
kickazz113 said:
Michael-5 said:
kickazz113 said:
Michael-5 said:
snakenobi said:
Michael-5 said:
 

The week Black Ops was bundled, PS3 saw a hardware increase of 18% in Americas only. It did not see an increase the week on InFamous 2 or E3, don't tell me Call of Duty bundles don't matter. When the difference is 3% they do. Everything else you said just makes no sense.

THEY DO MATTER BUT JUST SHORT TERM like any other bundles.like the ones 360 got with GTA,HALO,GEARS,etc throughout this gen

stop nitpicking.

Just because 360 has good shooters that sell and except for Uncharted PS3 shooters don't, doesn't mean 360 lack diversification. It just means that shooter fans prefer 360, but the games are still diverse.

not saying 360 lacks diversification,its just that 360 isn't as diverse as PS3 and its sales aren't as spread over.

again stop concentrating on one single detail of what i say.

What trends are you talking about? You claimed PS3 software is higher, yet you were the one ignoring the trend where 360 sells considerably more software in the holidays. 2010 360 software was stronger :P. I proved you wrong and said what I had to say, don't intend on arguing with you further.

sure it does

each console has its times but that is also how much the gap between 360 and PS3 holidays sales was 3 years ago,what was it 2 eyars ago and what was it last year.you can just look at the gaps of COD games.

u didn't prove shit wrong.

i was debating whether 360 sells better on holidays or not,just that the gap is getting small and when we look ta the whole year the 360 doesn't have that much more in the holidays that will compensate the lower sales full year long



Software bundling does matter, for short term yes? Stop nitpicking? The difference between PS3 and 360 software sales is 3%! You stop nitpicking, or at least make a fair annual comparision. You know 360 software is > PS3 in Q3 and Q4, so stop making silly claims.

As for diversification, 360 has just as much or more then Sony. RPG's exclusives sell better on 360 too. 360 also has more racing games, party games, and generally more exclusives of every genre. Sales might be focused on Shooters, RPG's, Party games, and Racing games, but that's only because many of 360's shooters, racing games, RPG's and Party games sell over 5 million units, some well over. How many PS3 exclusives have cross that barrier? PS3's diversification lies in games which sell around 1 million units, and 360 has just as diverse of a selection at that sales point. You point thus makes no sense.

As for proving you wrong, you said PS3 software is greater then 360 software. It isn't, you were wrong and I showed you that. PS3 software may become greater in the future, but you said in the present PS3 software is greater, which is wrong. Yes PS3 is 1,500 more sales now, but Gears of War 3 alone will make up for the difference, nevermind the typically noticably higher sales 360 has in fall. 360 software will be greater in 2011, just like it has been every single year.

As for other trends, let's actually take a look. MW1 sold 50% better on 360 then PS3 correct? Well there was also 76% more 360's on the market then PS3's at the time (thanks to the head start 360 had). MW2 sold 35.8% better on 360 then PS3 correct? Well at the time there were only 15.4% more 360's then PS3s. Account for the difference in consoles and well MW2 sold 9% more units per console on 360 then MW1 did.

Ahh, now you see, the trends do not support you.

Other Trends, The sales difference for AC: Brotherhood is larger then AC2, despite the hardware difference being smaller. This would imply that software is increasing more on 360. This story also holds for Fallout, Battlefield, and others.

which  xbox rpg game, racing game has sold more than 5 million???? huh??? dude get ur fact stright

Forza 3 is at 4.90 million, and will break 5 million very soon. RPG, shouldn't be there, but 360 does have some very successful RPG's. Fable 2 sold over 4 million, and 3 is looking to do the same

lol gt 5 outsold forza and god of war out sold fable

Actually God of War has not out sold Fable. It's close to Fable 2 sales, but who knows where Fable 3 will stop. Chances are GoW will sell a little better then Fable, but GoW isn't an action game it's not comparable. Fable and Mass Effect far outsell Demon Souls and Valkyria Chronicles, just like God of War and LittleBigPlanet for outsell Banjo Kazooie. (360 has no major action title). Then keep looking, and Kinect Sports outsells Sports Champions (even with PS3 Move bundling), and Dance Central outsells the non-existing PS3 dance exclusive. Halo Wars outsells the non-existing PS3 strategy exclusive, while InFamous and Heavy Rain outsell Crackdown and Alan Wake. etc, etc, etc

Both 360 and PS3 have just as diverse of a library, people who say otherwise are either ignorant or just favor one consoles games more to the point the shown strong bias.

Still the point is, of the top 10 games on both consoles, both have 5 shooters, so this concept of 360 being Shooter focused is bull. Shooters sell much better on 360 then PS3, but well almost every multiconsole game (except those big in Japan) sell better on 360 then PS3.



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Michael-5 on 19 August 2011
snakenobi said:
Michael-5 said:

You did not adress a single point I made.

360 typically sells more software in the holiday season. Meaning 360 sells a higher ratio of software from Q3/Q4 to Q1/Q2 then PS3.

thats what we are gonna find out.you are just taking the sales that this generation had in the starting thinking nothing has changed and they will apply today

But things haven't been changing. 360 has always outsold PS3 in the holiday season, and the ratio of sales has been steady. PS3 actually had it's strongest fall in 2009, and gotten weaker compared to the 360 since.

360 has always sold noticably more software in the fall term, and this year it will be no different.

has,we have to see about the future 

just look at the gap of last year man

You can't claim PS3 software is greater when trends say otherwise.

As for diversification, there are over 100 360 exclusives, but only about 60 PS3 exclusives. Of those exclusives, 360 games cover more genres, hence more diversification.

how many of those exclusives and diversification have been like quality of HALO,FORZA,etx not many.

look at sony exclusives and diversification.diversification should not just be because of the name that you port any shit.it should also get recognized

This is just complete ignorance. I can easily name dozens of quality 360 exclusives that aren't Halo, Forza or Gears. Too Human, Lost Odyssey, Halo Wars, Tales of Vesperia, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, Dance Central, Fable, Project Gotham Racing, Mass Effect, Crackdown, Blue Dragon, Test Drive Unlimited, etc etc.

I could just as easily say PS3 is all MGS, GT, GoW, LBP, and Uncharted because no other PS3 franchises sell well.

What the heck does this mean? PS3 fans aren't that FPS focused? Call of Duty is PS3's best selling franchise too!

sure but that is also because of pop culture

years ago when guitar hero launched,it sold more on PS platform but other platform also sold big but that was ionly as it became so pop culture to neglect.

on the other hand 360's fan focus on Gears,halo,cod shows you.what other PS3 shooter even sells close to it.

Maybe people just aren't interested in Killzone and Resistance? Maybe they just suck? Gears and Halo typically get 9-9.5 metascores, and 9.5/10 or higher ratings on credible websites. Killzone 3 is an 84/100 metascore, and Resistance is 86/87 respectivly.

After all Uncharted 2 and MGS4 sold decently well and they are the only PS3 exclusive shooters with a decent rating.

As for the end, we were discussing trends in the industry. Per user, more people are playing Assassin's Creed, Fallout, Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc on the 360 then PS3 then they were prior. 360 is showing more signs of software growth then PS3.

sure but they aren't linked to HW growth and is limited to specific titles

Stop changing the subject. We are talking about software. You claimed the ratio between CoD titles is decreasing for 360, but I just showed you that per console 360 is selling more software then PS3 with each installment. Not only is this true for Call of Duty, but for every major non sports franchise (FIFA is slightly growing on PS3, Madden is even). This only disproves any arguement you have of PS3 having greater software because of market trends, since the market trends actually work against you. Individual franchises are seeing higher software sales on the 360 then PS3 and the ratio is growing, and 360 software always increases over the fall term. PS3 is only 3% ahead this year, it's been furthur ahead before, and still lost at the years end.

This is the whole principle of the debate, you were wrong, and that is the end of it.







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kickazz113 on 19 August 2011
Michael-5 said:
snakenobi said:
Michael-5 said:

You did not adress a single point I made.

360 typically sells more software in the holiday season. Meaning 360 sells a higher ratio of software from Q3/Q4 to Q1/Q2 then PS3.

thats what we are gonna find out.you are just taking the sales that this generation had in the starting thinking nothing has changed and they will apply today

But things haven't been changing. 360 has always outsold PS3 in the holiday season, and the ratio of sales has been steady. PS3 actually had it's strongest fall in 2009, and gotten weaker compared to the 360 since.

360 has always sold noticably more software in the fall term, and this year it will be no different.

has,we have to see about the future 

just look at the gap of last year man

You can't claim PS3 software is greater when trends say otherwise.

As for diversification, there are over 100 360 exclusives, but only about 60 PS3 exclusives. Of those exclusives, 360 games cover more genres, hence more diversification.

how many of those exclusives and diversification have been like quality of HALO,FORZA,etx not many.

look at sony exclusives and diversification.diversification should not just be because of the name that you port any shit.it should also get recognized 

This is just complete ignorance. I can easily name dozens of quality 360 exclusives that aren't Halo, Forza or Gears. Too Human, Lost Odyssey, Halo Wars, Tales of Vesperia, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, Dance Central, Fable, Project Gotham Racing, Mass Effect, Crackdown, Blue Dragon, Test Drive Unlimited, etc etc.

I could just as easily say PS3 is all MGS, GT, GoW, LBP, and Uncharted because no other PS3 franchises sell well.

What the heck does this mean? PS3 fans aren't that FPS focused? Call of Duty is PS3's best selling franchise too!

sure but that is also because of pop culture

years ago when guitar hero launched,it sold more on PS platform but other platform also sold big but that was ionly as it became so pop culture to neglect.

on the other hand 360's fan focus on Gears,halo,cod shows you.what other PS3 shooter even sells close to it.

Maybe people just aren't interested in Killzone and Resistance? Maybe they just suck? Gears and Halo typically get 9-9.5 metascores, and 9.5/10 or higher ratings on credible websites. Killzone 3 is an 84/100 metascore, and Resistance is 86/87 respectivly.

After all Uncharted 2 and MGS4 sold decently well and they are the only PS3 exclusive shooters with a decent rating.

As for the end, we were discussing trends in the industry. Per user, more people are playing Assassin's Creed, Fallout, Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc on the 360 then PS3 then they were prior. 360 is showing more signs of software growth then PS3.

sure but they aren't linked to HW growth and is limited to specific titles 

Stop changing the subject. We are talking about software. You claimed the ratio between CoD titles is decreasing for 360, but I just showed you that per console 360 is selling more software then PS3 with each installment. Not only is this true for Call of Duty, but for every major non sports franchise (FIFA is slightly growing on PS3, Madden is even). This only disproves any arguement you have of PS3 having greater software because of market trends, since the market trends actually work against you. Individual franchises are seeing higher software sales on the 360 then PS3 and the ratio is growing, and 360 software always increases over the fall term. PS3 is only 3% ahead this year, it's been furthur ahead before, and still lost at the years end.

This is the whole principle of the debate, you were wrong, and that is the end of it.






ur pretty hardcore huh?????? well since ps3 has more userbase so i dont care which sold more sw, PS why dont you get off vgchartz since all you do is arguing with ppl        



kickazz113 on 19 August 2011
Michael-5 said:
snakenobi said:
Michael-5 said:

You did not adress a single point I made.

360 typically sells more software in the holiday season. Meaning 360 sells a higher ratio of software from Q3/Q4 to Q1/Q2 then PS3.

thats what we are gonna find out.you are just taking the sales that this generation had in the starting thinking nothing has changed and they will apply today

But things haven't been changing. 360 has always outsold PS3 in the holiday season, and the ratio of sales has been steady. PS3 actually had it's strongest fall in 2009, and gotten weaker compared to the 360 since.

360 has always sold noticably more software in the fall term, and this year it will be no different.

has,we have to see about the future 

just look at the gap of last year man

You can't claim PS3 software is greater when trends say otherwise.

As for diversification, there are over 100 360 exclusives, but only about 60 PS3 exclusives. Of those exclusives, 360 games cover more genres, hence more diversification.

how many of those exclusives and diversification have been like quality of HALO,FORZA,etx not many.

look at sony exclusives and diversification.diversification should not just be because of the name that you port any shit.it should also get recognized 

This is just complete ignorance. I can easily name dozens of quality 360 exclusives that aren't Halo, Forza or Gears. Too Human, Lost Odyssey, Halo Wars, Tales of Vesperia, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, Dance Central, Fable, Project Gotham Racing, Mass Effect, Crackdown, Blue Dragon, Test Drive Unlimited, etc etc.

I could just as easily say PS3 is all MGS, GT, GoW, LBP, and Uncharted because no other PS3 franchises sell well.

What the heck does this mean? PS3 fans aren't that FPS focused? Call of Duty is PS3's best selling franchise too!

sure but that is also because of pop culture

years ago when guitar hero launched,it sold more on PS platform but other platform also sold big but that was ionly as it became so pop culture to neglect.

on the other hand 360's fan focus on Gears,halo,cod shows you.what other PS3 shooter even sells close to it.

Maybe people just aren't interested in Killzone and Resistance? Maybe they just suck? Gears and Halo typically get 9-9.5 metascores, and 9.5/10 or higher ratings on credible websites. Killzone 3 is an 84/100 metascore, and Resistance is 86/87 respectivly.

After all Uncharted 2 and MGS4 sold decently well and they are the only PS3 exclusive shooters with a decent rating.

As for the end, we were discussing trends in the industry. Per user, more people are playing Assassin's Creed, Fallout, Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc on the 360 then PS3 then they were prior. 360 is showing more signs of software growth then PS3.

sure but they aren't linked to HW growth and is limited to specific titles 

Stop changing the subject. We are talking about software. You claimed the ratio between CoD titles is decreasing for 360, but I just showed you that per console 360 is selling more software then PS3 with each installment. Not only is this true for Call of Duty, but for every major non sports franchise (FIFA is slightly growing on PS3, Madden is even). This only disproves any arguement you have of PS3 having greater software because of market trends, since the market trends actually work against you. Individual franchises are seeing higher software sales on the 360 then PS3 and the ratio is growing, and 360 software always increases over the fall term. **

This is the whole principle of the debate, you were wrong, and that is the end of it.





and xbox only 2% ahead worldwide so



Jay520 on 19 August 2011
Doobie_wop said:
This thread is a perfect example as to why I've started posting less and less on these boards, so many immature posters, it's like commenting on a Rebecca Black Youtube video.

On Topic: I had a similar discussion with Kowenicki a while back, I came up with a lot of numbers and did a fair amount of research and I came up with an easy and fairly obvious answer. When the PS3 gets 20 or more extra exclusives in a year compared to it's competitors, then it's only obvious that the user-base will be stretched thin and it means that chunks will have to be taken out of a few multi-platform games that are released along side those exclusives. Every gaming consumer has a limited budget and this years releases have put considerable amount of strain on the PS3 userbase.

Just as an example, I've bought Little Big Planet 2, Infamous 2, Yakuza 4, Trinity: Souls of Zill Ol, Ar Tonelico Qoga and then on top of all that I've got older releases and a whole bunch of multi-platform titles. I've pretty much already hit my limit for the year and outside of Uncharted 3, Skyrim and maybe Deus Ex, I doubt I'll be picking up other new titles until Christmas or early next year. Had I been a 360 only owner, then my choice of games would be lower, I'd have a lot more money for multi-platform games and I'd have more money reserved for games coming out later in the year.

Add on the fact that the 360 has a stronger userbase in the US and it all seems pretty obvious.

I'd also like to add that anyone who's arguing that the 360 has had anywhere near the amount of diverse exclusive releases in the last few years compared to the PS3 is kidding themselves. This year alone has proven that if you want diversity, then you play on the PS3, otherwise your playing multi-platform games or your waiting for the next Halo or Gears release.


Quite true. The fanboyism, hate, & flat out stupidity is strong in this thread. A more reasonable post like yours likely will be ignored. It's quite sad really.

Anyways on topic. Aside from Kinect, both consoles are more-or-less equal in terms of franchises with selling power. Take a look at this list I've compiled

Halo: 11m
Gran Turismo: 9.0m
Gears of War: 6.0m
Metal Gear Solid: 5.5m
Uncharted: 5.0m
God of War: 5.0m
Forza: 5.0m (bundles)
LittleBigPlanet: 4.5m (bundles)
Fable: 4.5m
Left 4 Dead: 3.5m
Killzone: 2.5m

As you can see, the games constantly switch sides with nearly each step. This proves that both consoles have the same potential in terms of selling power. There is no magical trait about the 360 that just makes it's games sell high. Other than 360's lead in America's & MS. Marketing, both consoles have the same potential to sell their exclusives.

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snakenobi on 19 August 2011
Michael-5 said:
snakenobi said:
Michael-5 said:

But things haven't been changing. 360 has always outsold PS3 in the holiday season, and the ratio of sales has been steady. PS3 actually had it's strongest fall in 2009, and gotten weaker compared to the 360 since.

who said it hasn't?

You can't claim PS3 software is greater when trends say otherwise.

it has only been improving over the years

 

This is just complete ignorance. I can easily name dozens of quality 360 exclusives that aren't Halo, Forza or Gears. Too Human, Lost Odyssey, Halo Wars, Tales of Vesperia, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, Dance Central, Fable, Project Gotham Racing, Mass Effect, Crackdown, Blue Dragon, Test Drive Unlimited, etc etc.

I could just as easily say PS3 is all MGS, GT, GoW, LBP, and Uncharted because no other PS3 franchises sell well. 

lost odessy was pretty good

halo wars was halo related

tales of vesperia is on ps3 too

PGR was always second fiddle to forza which MS recognized and shut it up

too human was shit.

crackdown,test drive,blue dragon are you kidding? this isn't a naming game you know

yes PS3 is MGS,UNCHARTED,gow,infamous,lbp,gt which is far more than GEARS,HALO,FORZA.


Maybe people just aren't interested in Killzone and Resistance? Maybe they just suck? Gears and Halo typically get 9-9.5 metascores, and 9.5/10 or higher ratings on credible websites. Killzone 3 is an 84/100 metascore, and Resistance is 86/87 respectivly.

dude,why be so delusional?

PS3 just isn't a shooter focused,u know it

After all Uncharted 2 and MGS4 sold decently well and they are the only PS3 exclusive shooters with a decent rating. 

MGS4 isn't a shooter,it has shooting elements but mainly its an experience.even UC2 is more of action adventure

 

Stop changing the subject.We are talking about software. You claimed the ratio between CoD titles is decreasing for 360, but I just showed you that per console 360 is selling more software then PS3 with each installment.

when did i change the subject,u are the one going offtopic all the time.

yeah but PS3 is also sellign more software

COD will always be a bit bigger on 360 than PS3 given the fanbase choice.

Not only is this true for Call of Duty, but for every major non sports franchise (FIFA is slightly growing on PS3, Madden is even).

don't even talk about Madden and FIFA,they are location fan based titles

This only disproves any arguement you have of PS3 having greater software because of market trends, since the market trends actually work against you.

what trends,please list them out.360 barely outsold PS3 total SW last year where PS3 had a bigger lead the previous year

Individual franchises are seeing higher software sales on the 360 then PS3 and the ratio is growing,

we aren't talking about individual SW,COD mention was just one of the indications thats all.don't mix it with total SW talk

and 360 software always increases over the fall term. PS3 is only 3% ahead this year, it's been furthur ahead before, and still lost at the years end.

PS3 was further before but it lost by lesser than the year before which is what i'm talkign about

This is the whole principle of the debate, you were wrong, and that is the end of it.

its funny how you are trying to run away and always leave this last line of this sort









kickazz113 on 19 August 2011
snakenobi said:
Michael-5 said:
snakenobi said:
Michael-5 said:

But things haven't been changing. 360 has always outsold PS3 in the holiday season, and the ratio of sales has been steady. PS3 actually had it's strongest fall in 2009, and gotten weaker compared to the 360 since.

who said it hasn't?

You can't claim PS3 software is greater when trends say otherwise.

it has only been improving over the years

 

This is just complete ignorance. I can easily name dozens of quality 360 exclusives that aren't Halo, Forza or Gears. Too Human, Lost Odyssey, Halo Wars, Tales of Vesperia, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, Dance Central, Fable, Project Gotham Racing, Mass Effect, Crackdown, Blue Dragon, Test Drive Unlimited, etc etc.

I could just as easily say PS3 is all MGS, GT, GoW, LBP, and Uncharted because no other PS3 franchises sell well. 

lost odessy was pretty good

halo wars was halo related

tales of vesperia is on ps3 too

PGR was always second fiddle to forza which MS recognized and shut it up

too human was shit.

crackdown,test drive,blue dragon are you kidding? this isn't a naming game you know

yes PS3 is MGS,UNCHARTED,gow,infamous,lbp,gt which is far more than GEARS,HALO,FORZA.


Maybe people just aren't interested in Killzone and Resistance? Maybe they just suck? Gears and Halo typically get 9-9.5 metascores, and 9.5/10 or higher ratings on credible websites. Killzone 3 is an 84/100 metascore, and Resistance is 86/87 respectivly.

dude,why be so delusional?

PS3 just isn't a shooter focused,u know it

After all Uncharted 2 and MGS4 sold decently well and they are the only PS3 exclusive shooters with a decent rating. 

MGS4 isn't a shooter,it has shooting elements but mainly its an experience.even UC2 is more of action adventure

 

Stop changing the subject.We are talking about software. You claimed the ratio between CoD titles is decreasing for 360, but I just showed you that per console 360 is selling more software then PS3 with each installment.

when did i change the subject,u are the one going offtopic all the time.

yeah but PS3 is also sellign more software

COD will always be a bit bigger on 360 than PS3 given the fanbase choice.

Not only is this true for Call of Duty, but for every major non sports franchise (FIFA is slightly growing on PS3, Madden is even).

don't even talk about Madden and FIFA,they are location fan based titles

This only disproves any arguement you have of PS3 having greater software because of market trends, since the market trends actually work against you.

what trends,please list them out.360 barely outsold PS3 total SW last year where PS3 had a bigger lead the previous year

Individual franchises are seeing higher software sales on the 360 then PS3 and the ratio is growing,

we aren't talking about individual SW,COD mention was just one of the indications thats all.don't mix it with total SW talk

and 360 software always increases over the fall term. PS3 is only 3% ahead this year, it's been furthur ahead before, and still lost at the years end.

PS3 was further before but it lost by lesser than the year before which is what i'm talkign about

This is the whole principle of the debate, you were wrong, and that is the end of it.

its funny how you are trying to run away and always leave this last line of this sort







This is the whole principle of the debate, you were wrong, and that is the end of it." lol  he probablly ran out of idea lying since he know ps3 sw sold better :P



snakenobi on 19 August 2011
kickazz113 said:
snakenobi said:
Michael-5 said:
snakenobi said:
Michael-5 said:

But things haven't been changing. 360 has always outsold PS3 in the holiday season, and the ratio of sales has been steady. PS3 actually had it's strongest fall in 2009, and gotten weaker compared to the 360 since.

who said it hasn't?

You can't claim PS3 software is greater when trends say otherwise.

it has only been improving over the years

 

This is just complete ignorance. I can easily name dozens of quality 360 exclusives that aren't Halo, Forza or Gears. Too Human, Lost Odyssey, Halo Wars, Tales of Vesperia, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, Dance Central, Fable, Project Gotham Racing, Mass Effect, Crackdown, Blue Dragon, Test Drive Unlimited, etc etc.

I could just as easily say PS3 is all MGS, GT, GoW, LBP, and Uncharted because no other PS3 franchises sell well. 

lost odessy was pretty good

halo wars was halo related

tales of vesperia is on ps3 too

PGR was always second fiddle to forza which MS recognized and shut it up

too human was shit.

crackdown,test drive,blue dragon are you kidding? this isn't a naming game you know

yes PS3 is MGS,UNCHARTED,gow,infamous,lbp,gt which is far more than GEARS,HALO,FORZA.


Maybe people just aren't interested in Killzone and Resistance? Maybe they just suck? Gears and Halo typically get 9-9.5 metascores, and 9.5/10 or higher ratings on credible websites. Killzone 3 is an 84/100 metascore, and Resistance is 86/87 respectivly.

dude,why be so delusional?

PS3 just isn't a shooter focused,u know it

After all Uncharted 2 and MGS4 sold decently well and they are the only PS3 exclusive shooters with a decent rating. 

MGS4 isn't a shooter,it has shooting elements but mainly its an experience.even UC2 is more of action adventure

 

Stop changing the subject.We are talking about software. You claimed the ratio between CoD titles is decreasing for 360, but I just showed you that per console 360 is selling more software then PS3 with each installment.

when did i change the subject,u are the one going offtopic all the time.

yeah but PS3 is also sellign more software

COD will always be a bit bigger on 360 than PS3 given the fanbase choice.

Not only is this true for Call of Duty, but for every major non sports franchise (FIFA is slightly growing on PS3, Madden is even).

don't even talk about Madden and FIFA,they are location fan based titles

This only disproves any arguement you have of PS3 having greater software because of market trends, since the market trends actually work against you.

what trends,please list them out.360 barely outsold PS3 total SW last year where PS3 had a bigger lead the previous year

Individual franchises are seeing higher software sales on the 360 then PS3 and the ratio is growing,

we aren't talking about individual SW,COD mention was just one of the indications thats all.don't mix it with total SW talk

and 360 software always increases over the fall term. PS3 is only 3% ahead this year, it's been furthur ahead before, and still lost at the years end.

PS3 was further before but it lost by lesser than the year before which is what i'm talkign about

This is the whole principle of the debate, you were wrong, and that is the end of it.

its funny how you are trying to run away and always leave this last line of this sort







This is the whole principle of the debate, you were wrong, and that is the end of it." lol  he probablly ran out of idea lying since he know ps3 sw sold better :P

yeah this guy goes offtopic so much and has big problem in understanding the meaning of what the other person says.he picks out details and starts his own debate on it.



kickazz113 on 20 August 2011
Michael-5 said:
kickazz113 said:
Michael-5 said:
kickazz113 said:
Michael-5 said:
snakenobi said:
Michael-5 said:
 

The week Black Ops was bundled, PS3 saw a hardware increase of 18% in Americas only. It did not see an increase the week on InFamous 2 or E3, don't tell me Call of Duty bundles don't matter. When the difference is 3% they do. Everything else you said just makes no sense.

THEY DO MATTER BUT JUST SHORT TERM like any other bundles.like the ones 360 got with GTA,HALO,GEARS,etc throughout this gen

stop nitpicking.

Just because 360 has good shooters that sell and except for Uncharted PS3 shooters don't, doesn't mean 360 lack diversification. It just means that shooter fans prefer 360, but the games are still diverse.

not saying 360 lacks diversification,its just that 360 isn't as diverse as PS3 and its sales aren't as spread over.

again stop concentrating on one single detail of what i say.

What trends are you talking about? You claimed PS3 software is higher, yet you were the one ignoring the trend where 360 sells considerably more software in the holidays. 2010 360 software was stronger :P. I proved you wrong and said what I had to say, don't intend on arguing with you further.

sure it does

each console has its times but that is also how much the gap between 360 and PS3 holidays sales was 3 years ago,what was it 2 eyars ago and what was it last year.you can just look at the gaps of COD games.

u didn't prove shit wrong.

i was debating whether 360 sells better on holidays or not,just that the gap is getting small and when we look ta the whole year the 360 doesn't have that much more in the holidays that will compensate the lower sales full year long



Software bundling does matter, for short term yes? Stop nitpicking? The difference between PS3 and 360 software sales is 3%! You stop nitpicking, or at least make a fair annual comparision. You know 360 software is > PS3 in Q3 and Q4, so stop making silly claims.

As for diversification, 360 has just as much or more then Sony. RPG's exclusives sell better on 360 too. 360 also has more racing games, party games, and generally more exclusives of every genre. Sales might be focused on Shooters, RPG's, Party games, and Racing games, but that's only because many of 360's shooters, racing games, RPG's and Party games sell over 5 million units, some well over. How many PS3 exclusives have cross that barrier? PS3's diversification lies in games which sell around 1 million units, and 360 has just as diverse of a selection at that sales point. You point thus makes no sense.

As for proving you wrong, you said PS3 software is greater then 360 software. It isn't, you were wrong and I showed you that. PS3 software may become greater in the future, but you said in the present PS3 software is greater, which is wrong. Yes PS3 is 1,500 more sales now, but Gears of War 3 alone will make up for the difference, nevermind the typically noticably higher sales 360 has in fall. 360 software will be greater in 2011, just like it has been every single year.

As for other trends, let's actually take a look. MW1 sold 50% better on 360 then PS3 correct? Well there was also 76% more 360's on the market then PS3's at the time (thanks to the head start 360 had). MW2 sold 35.8% better on 360 then PS3 correct? Well at the time there were only 15.4% more 360's then PS3s. Account for the difference in consoles and well MW2 sold 9% more units per console on 360 then MW1 did.

Ahh, now you see, the trends do not support you.

Other Trends, The sales difference for AC: Brotherhood is larger then AC2, despite the hardware difference being smaller. This would imply that software is increasing more on 360. This story also holds for Fallout, Battlefield, and others.

which  xbox rpg game, racing game has sold more than 5 million???? huh??? dude get ur fact stright

Forza 3 is at 4.90 million, and will break 5 million very soon. RPG, shouldn't be there, but 360 does have some very successful RPG's. Fable 2 sold over 4 million, and 3 is looking to do the same

lol gt 5 outsold forza and god of war out sold fable

Actually God of War has not out sold Fable. It's close to Fable 2 sales, but who knows where Fable 3 will stop. Chances are GoW will sell a little better then Fable, but GoW isn't an action game it's not comparable. Fable and Mass Effect far outsell Demon Souls and Valkyria Chronicles, just like God of War and LittleBigPlanet for outsell Banjo Kazooie. (360 has no major action title). Then keep looking, and Kinect Sports outsells Sports Champions (even with PS3 Move bundling), and Dance Central outsells the non-existing PS3 dance exclusive. Halo Wars outsells the non-existing PS3 strategy exclusive, while InFamous and Heavy Rain outsell Crackdown and Alan Wake. etc, etc, etc

Both 360 and PS3 have just as diverse of a library, people who say otherwise are either ignorant or just favor one consoles games more to the point the shown strong bias.

Still the point is, of the top 10 games on both consoles, both have 5 shooters, so this concept of 360 being Shooter focused is bull. Shooters sell much better on 360 then PS3, but well almost every multiconsole game (except those big in Japan) sell better on 360 then PS3.

"This is just complete ignorance. I can easily name dozens of quality 360 exclusives that aren't Halo, Forza or Gears. Too Human, Lost Odyssey, Halo Wars, Tales of Vesperia, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, Dance Central, Fable, Project Gotham Racing, Mass Effect, Crackdown, Blue Dragon, Test Drive Unlimited, etc etc" Micheal-5 8/19/11.        wow really??? blue gragon?? crackdown???? you call these quality ?????? most these game you named sold like crap and wtf is two human ????? seriously you are either casual gamer or you just doesnt know what is the defination of the word quality



rf40928 on 20 August 2011
kickazz113 said:
rf40928 said:
kickazz113 said:
LordMatrix said:
RolStoppable said:
Mainly because Sony's lineup is built on diversity while Microsoft chooses to brainwash people with their marketing.


LOL Yeah keep telling yourself that. Microsoft`s exlusives are just more popular usually. Most Xbox exclusives have a much larger community attached to them. If you enjoy online play you likely are an Xbox gamer.  Gears, Halo & Forza are some big one`s that come to mind but when even games like Fable use online features in unique ways can you really blame users for flocking to them?


loloolol the only popular game xbox got is halo so all u saying is wrong. and really??? last time i checked no one even go on forza


The proof is here at this webiste... look at games that really matter.. the ones that really sell.. those are the top 10 games each year on each console.. the top 10 games are the ones that sell.. Top ten 360 games OWN Top ten PS3... MAny of the top 10 games on each console and multiplatform.. LIKE COD... Ilike Fanboys like you say Halo is all 360 has.. but Halo sold as many copies  as COD on PS3 ( and COD was PS3's best seller !) ..The same  COD on 360  sold millions more then COD on PS3... Anyone looking at the top 10 cant deny the numbers dont lie


im talking about exclusive, dude if you xbox fanboys dont understand then dont bother to reply the only popular exclusive is halo, see?? other xbox EXCLUSIVE dont sell as much as u xbox fanboy said

thats funny.. Gears of War is another 360 exclusive that outsold most Sony exclusives..  Does it matter that much if Sony software sales are in lastplace..