1. But that would then be cyclical. If we're going to take the huge leap that something must've created what is, why not go one step further and say that the creator must have its own designer.

Sure one could make the argument that a god would not need a creator, but then why not save one assumption and simply say that a universe needs no creator? Read the link I gave on Occam's razor in my previous post - that should clarify things if I'm not articulating it well enough.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to come off as a jerk, but I still don't understand.

what i meant was if atheist believe in big bang there must be an order to things and that cyclic would be we rebirth like rules of physics

and consciences needs to exist

And that's true but it's not the two only options. There's also the idea of simply saying 'I don't know'. I don't know if there is a god. I don't if there's no god. That's what I'm talking about.

In the context of science though, there cannot be proof of the nonexistance of something. Asking one to do so with the consequence of calling them ignorant (as you did in your first post) is highly unfair.

Not making unproven assumptions is what makes somebody atheist. I don't think any (reasonable) atheist would argue that there is no chance of there being any diety, intervening or not - just simply that from what we know, that is highly unlikely and that there is absolutely no reason to make the assumption that there is.

Religion was never a barrier from forming proven assumptions. It's not the only atheist who does that. And I've always thought God's existence is like a toss up between heads or tails. So I doubt his existence is highly unlikely.

As to the question of the big bang and order most of it is explainable by the second law of thermodynamics. (the first law merely states that heat is a form of energy which can be converted  to other forms without change in in the total energy quantity) The second law deals with heat flow, it always flows from hot to cold and when two bodies reach the same temperature the heat flow stops, this is called thermodynamic equilibrium and when this prevails  no further  useful changes can occur without outside interference , for instance a temperature difference cannot open up spontaneously between a bucket of water and the surrounding air, because it would involve heat flowing from cold  to hot at some stage in order to cool down the bucket and heat the air or vice versa.

What this means is disequilibrium is the essence of activity, when equilibrium is achieved activity ceases this is called entropy and while I could write thousands of words explaining it all ,Entropy is why the universe will run down just like a wind up clock ,if you want to know more about this and also conversely how order works I suggest you buy a book called Stardoom by Professor Paul Davies.

so u don't believe in the culture of religion but believe that god created the world

don't mix religion with GOD

religion is just a culture formed around the concept of GOD by a group of people and laid some rules to it.

believing in GOD can be from the cretor and maintainer to just a creator

god! who is that?

wht is god but the big bang, creationism, the devil, hatered, the god or devil that the kkk worships, love, zuse, a demigod, and the symbol of atheism.

are you sure god is his real name? don't put his name in caps it offend's me lol!