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pearljammer said:

1. But that would then be cyclical. If we're going to take the huge leap that something must've created what is, why not go one step further and say that the creator must have its own designer.

 

Sure one could make the argument that a god would not need a creator, but then why not save one assumption and simply say that a universe needs no creator? Read the link I gave on Occam's razor in my previous post - that should clarify things if I'm not articulating it well enough.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to come off as a jerk, but I still don't understand.

what i meant was if atheist believe in big bang there must be an order to things and that cyclic would be we rebirth like rules of physics

and consciences needs to exist