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snakenobi said:
pearljammer said:

1. But that would then be cyclical. If we're going to take the huge leap that something must've created what is, why not go one step further and say that the creator must have its own designer.

 

Sure one could make the argument that a god would not need a creator, but then why not save one assumption and simply say that a universe needs no creator? Read the link I gave on Occam's razor in my previous post - that should clarify things if I'm not articulating it well enough.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to come off as a jerk, but I still don't understand.

what i meant was if atheist believe in big bang there must be an order to things and that cyclic would be we rebirth like rules of physics

and consciences needs to exist

As to the question of the big bang and order most of it is explainable by the second law of thermodynamics. (the first law merely states that heat is a form of energy which can be converted  to other forms without change in in the total energy quantity) The second law deals with heat flow, it always flows from hot to cold and when two bodies reach the same temperature the heat flow stops, this is called thermodynamic equilibrium and when this prevails  no further  useful changes can occur without outside interference , for instance a temperature difference cannot open up spontaneously between a bucket of water and the surrounding air, because it would involve heat flowing from cold  to hot at some stage in order to cool down the bucket and heat the air or vice versa.

What this means is disequilibrium is the essence of activity, when equilibrium is achieved activity ceases this is called entropy and while I could write thousands of words explaining it all ,Entropy is why the universe will run down just like a wind up clock ,if you want to know more about this and also conversely how order works I suggest you buy a book called Stardoom by Professor Paul Davies.





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