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Player1x3 on 16 August 2011
oldschoolfool said:
there is no god,plain and simple. the only proof you need is to stand in the middle of the street,then pray for your so called mircale,when you wake up in the hospitial then,you will know ladies and getlemen. There's all these stupid fake religions,what is there a place in the so called heaven's were all of the fake gods meet at a roundtable. It kind of reminds me of that scene in god of war. People only use religion,because either there weak minded are they need something to make themselves feel better. I'll tell you one more time,THERE IS NO GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This thread,kind of reminds me of that south park episode called imagination land,because that's exactly what relgion is.


We get it. You hate religion and thus you think you are superior. And your ''proof'' is quite ridicilous btw



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sapphi_snake on 16 August 2011
Netyaroze said:
@sapphi snake. No its not. Science trys to sort out all possibilities through disproving it. You make a theory and suggest an experiment that should disprove it and show that it cant be disproven with it other scientists will come up with other ways to disprove your theory. If they fail your theory wins slowly more credibility. Einsteins theory wasnt proven for years but scientists used it because every attempt to disprove it failed. This process is called Falsification and is the com,on way to sort good rrom bad theorys. See Falsifiability : http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

IHere a short passage:

"NoAre all swans white? The classical view of the philosophy of science is that it is the goal of science to "prove" such hypotheses or induce them from observational data. This seems hardly possible, since it would require us to infer a general rule from a number of individual cases, which is logically inadmissible. However, if we find one single black swan, logic allows us to conclude that the statement that all swans are white is false. Falsificationism thus strives for questioning, for falsification, of hypotheses instead of proving them"

If you read the 'criticism' section of that site you linked, you'd know that that's not actually the common accepted method of scientific reasoning.

What's funny though is that you say 'science and god are not two opposing things', and then link to Karl Popper's falsifiability. Falsifiability essentially does say that god and science are two opposing things. Accordign to falsifiability, in order for a theory to be accepted as truth it has to be:

a. falsifiable (there are means to infirm such a view, if it truely is false);

b. unfalsified (no experiments or observation have infirmed it).

The entire concept of god is unfalsifiable (there are no means to infirm it), meaning that it's inherently an unscientific concept that cannot be accepted as true (unless you want to believe for no reason at all). If you would've read the 'Examples' section of the link you provided, you would've seen this. Heck, falsifiability was used to remove creatinism from schools.



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Porcupine_I on 16 August 2011

To me it means i am offended if someone spells "Atheist" wrong

Actually it means for me i can look at religion from an outside point of view, not being restricted by being required to have faith in what someone else tells me.




“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

huaxiong90 on 16 August 2011
sapphi_snake said:
huaxiong90 said:
sapphi_snake said:

Considering all the so-called exorcisms that happen worldwide all the time, I'm just gonna say that it's was probably all fake. I didn't know exorcisms were practiced by muslims too. Was your relative 'possessed'?

I don't even know how to explain it...the way it all happened couldn't have possibly been staged. It just boggles the mind...

 

Either that...or well, my relative deserves an Oscar. Because what I saw puts any exorcism related movie/show to shame.

You'd be surprised at how many things can be staged. In the old days lots of miracolous things would happen (everything from curing disease X to bringing people back from the dead). Was your relative possessed?

I can see no other viable answer. So yes.

Like I said, I don't know how to explain it, but it was bizarre as hell...It's something you have to see for yourself, in front of you, and not on TV or the sort. But if there's one thing I can assure you 100%, it's that it wasn't staged.

You don't have to believe me. In fact, I don't blame you if you don't. But as far as I'm concerned, I'm no longer a skeptic. Because if anyone can stage something like that, then they should be in the acting business.



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sapphi_snake on 16 August 2011
huaxiong90 said:
sapphi_snake said:
huaxiong90 said:
sapphi_snake said:

Considering all the so-called exorcisms that happen worldwide all the time, I'm just gonna say that it's was probably all fake. I didn't know exorcisms were practiced by muslims too. Was your relative 'possessed'?

I don't even know how to explain it...the way it all happened couldn't have possibly been staged. It just boggles the mind...

 

Either that...or well, my relative deserves an Oscar. Because what I saw puts any exorcism related movie/show to shame.

You'd be surprised at how many things can be staged. In the old days lots of miracolous things would happen (everything from curing disease X to bringing people back from the dead). Was your relative possessed?

I can see no other viable answer. So yes.

Like I said, I don't know how to explain it, but it was bizarre as hell...It's something you have to see for yourself, in front of you, and not on TV or the sort. But if there's I can assure you 100%, it's that it wasn't staged.

You don't have to believe me. In fact, I don't blame you if you don't. But as far as I'm concerned, I'm no longer a skeptic. Because if anyone can stage something like that, then they should be in the acting business.

Well, since you've not really provided any evidence, or even properly described the event, there's nothign really that I can believe. You should be wear of people who put on such shows though.



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huaxiong90 on 16 August 2011
sapphi_snake said:

Well, since you've not really provided any evidence, or even properly described the event, there's nothign really that I can believe. You should be wear of people who put on such shows though.

If we were discussing it in person rather than through text, it might be easier to explain, but even that's not enough. What I saw is something that has to be seen in order to fully grasp it.

I can assure you though that I hear all kinds of silly stories, and I watch these so called exorcisms on TV. Nothing even comes close to representing what I witnessed.



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sapphi_snake on 16 August 2011
huaxiong90 said:
sapphi_snake said:

Well, since you've not really provided any evidence, or even properly described the event, there's nothign really that I can believe. You should be wear of people who put on such shows though.

If we were discussing it in person rather than through text, it might be easier to explain, but even that's not enough. What I saw is something that has to be seen in order to fully grasp it.

I can assure you though that I hear all kinds of silly stories, and I watch these so called exorcisms on TV. Nothing even comes to close to representing what I witnessed.

I suggest that if you ever partake in something like this again, you should film it with a hidden camera. It would be great for several reasons.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Netyaroze on 16 August 2011

@sapphi snake

"NoThe entire concept of god is unfalsifiable (there are no means to infirm it), meaning that it's inherently an unscientific concept that cannot be accepted as true (unless you want to believe for no reason at all). If you would've read the 'Examples' section of the link you provided, you would've seen this. Heck, falsifiability was used to remove creatinism from schools."

Thats what I said in other words. I used not opposing in a way to say science cant rule out god nor can it handle god. Because its not scientific everything they say about god is not science. God and science are two different things and have nothing to do with each other. Thats why they arent really competing they CANT oppose each other.

In the article its used in a different way. The world view is different to religious world view thus the concepts of how to look at the world are opposing. But Science and god can easily exist side by side they dont touch each other. You can be scientist and believe in god without ever having a conflict actually you cant even have a conflict.

To falsifiability THIS IS MAINSTREAM and the way to go. I know quite a few physicists they explained it to me in detail. Thats why theories like string theory have trouble because all they are is mathematically beautiful and noone knows how to disprove it practically.



sapphi_snake on 16 August 2011
Netyaroze said:
@sapphi snake

"NoThe entire concept of god is unfalsifiable (there are no means to infirm it), meaning that it's inherently an unscientific concept that cannot be accepted as true (unless you want to believe for no reason at all). If you would've read the 'Examples' section of the link you provided, you would've seen this. Heck, falsifiability was used to remove creatinism from schools."

Thats what I said in other words. I used not opposing in a way to say science cant rule out god nor can it handle god. Because its not scientific everything they say about god is not science. God and science are two different things and have nothing to do with each other. Thats why they arent really competing they CANT oppose each other.

In the article its used in a different way. The world view is different to religious world view thus the concepts of how to look at the world are opposing. But Science and god can easily exist side by side they dont touch each other. You can be scientist and believe in god without ever having a conflict actually you cant even have a conflict.

To falsifiability THIS IS MAINSTREAM and the way to go. I know quite a few physicists they explained it to me in detail. Thats why theories like string theory have trouble because all they are is mathematically beautiful and noone knows how to disprove it practically.

It's more like 'god can't handle science'. Since god is unfalsifiable, it means that it logically cannot be considered to be a true concept (and it's quite important for religion that god is considered to be true). And religion and science ARE competing against eachother, because they're both attempts at explaining the world around us, science being the one that is obviously successful. When a religion makes a statement like 'god created the world', this automatically makes it go head to head with science. So no, a scientist cannot really believe in god, without admittign that he's believing in something that is not true.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

VXIII on 16 August 2011
vlad321 said:
VXIII said:
vlad321 said:


Or they just didn't end up being rational and mature enough to realize that the fairy tale they believe in is false.

You're still talking about religions while I'm talking about a totally different matter :)


Neither am I, but I guess you missed that point. Believing in ANYTHING is sign of immaturity and lack of rationality. Unless you believe that we don't know absoluitely jack shit to make bets on anything.

Oh wow !

I hope you're just pissed off , are you listening to yourself ?

You are not the one who determine that, The world isn't about you and what you believe , how is thinking otherwise immaturity? , we depend on believing in many things in our lives that are not solid facts , believing in the better future is what makes us work hard but , we don't know a better future is actually coming . Anyways there is no reason to continue this :)