Or they just didn't end up being rational and mature enough to realize that the fairy tale they believe in is false.

You're still talking about religions while I'm talking about a totally different matter :)

Neither am I, but I guess you missed that point. Believing in ANYTHING is sign of immaturity and lack of rationality. Unless you believe that we don't know absoluitely jack shit to make bets on anything.

I'm pretty sure in science everything is false untill proven. At most, something unproven (yet) can be a theory, but even then there has to be some sort of evidence suggesting that that theory could reasonably be true. Else you could say pretty much any aberation, and if people cannot provide evidence to the contrary (whoch is impossible if something is a made-up thing, to which you can constantly add imaginary qualities that would justify the lack of evidence - invisibility, impossibility to be seen by mortals etc.), then it would have to be considered true.

It's actually not impossible at all. Is it probable? No. But possible? Definately. You also shouldn't view the world as an 'achievement' or a 'success'. No one created it, and for all we know, life can be a sort of cancer of the Universe.

You'd be surprised at how many things can be staged. In the old days lots of miracolous things would happen (everything from curing disease X to bringing people back from the dead). Was your relative possessed?

"Science theories that millions of universes exist are impotent,"Where" and "How many" science doesn't tell, and even if that's a given , the assumption that life doesn't exist in every universe is beyond science right now,"


Where depends on which theory you chose string theory says in the 11 dimensional hyperspace it could also be one after the other. How many: Infinite


Nah thats pretty much logical life is complex and you need a very very exact tuning of the natural laws to achieve enough complexity so life can form. life can go wrong way more easily given multiple universes the majority has no life (the vast majority). same is true in our universe if the natural laws vary.

"Science stating that the universe is in some kind of movement , it's expanding at faster and faster rate ,so maybe at some point it was all about this planet and its natural laws that allow life .. maybe."

Here I dont know what you are trying to say. How do you connect the expansion of the universe with "it was all about this planet" what was all about this planet ?

"By what I said about things that are too complicated to exist by chance I didn't only mean what you understood, I was also talking about meanings that beyond us,some higher meanings that we can't do anything about,like time and how it affect our reality ,like death the certain fate of us all,Humanity itself ,all the fabulous "things" we can't see like emotions and thoughts ."

Here I have problems too. I seriously have trouble to understand what you are saying . We know how time affects our reality. Death is a logical consequence of entropie. Humanity itself what ? Higher meanings we cant do anything about ? What should we do about it ? To those feelings and thoughts we cant see. Actually we can its called MRI and PET Scan.

"itIt's much deeper than a mere feeling that some people have and some not, it's what you can see and feel in all the things and meanings, a way of analyze and understanding I might say,"

"Its much deeper then a mere feeling" followed by "its what you can see and feel" doesnt help to prove your point actually the difficulty you have to explain what you mean proves my point which is: Its a feeling some people have some not it cant be explained" How "deep" this feeling goes depends from person to person. It most definetly affects how you see things I never doubted that feelings tend to do that.

"which of course brings so many painful thoughts and questions like why did God created us , I mean it's like an inner "why should I even bother" , being different doesn't mean it's not easier, the one can't just be a believer."

painful thoughts ? What painful thoughts ? Why did he create humanity ? Is there a reason he shouldnt create humanity? Its if he exists probably one of infinite creations. He does like to create a lot if you look at the universe.


Why should you even bother ? Bother with what ? Living ? Because you dont know why he created humanity ? Why is that necessary for you to know ? What do you want to hear from him ?

The last few words are yet again hard to understand.

Your post is very unprecise. Which just strengthens my believe that faith is purely emotional and a feeling some people have some not. Thats purely emotional is not a bad thing maybe its natural and there might be truth in it ultimatively. Religious people should realize it though and dont try to rationalize their belief. You dont have to explain yourself for believing in god same as not believing. People with the feeling god exists try to explain those feelings to people that never experienced it and vice versa. Both sides feel they know the truth and try to explain why they feel the way they do but ultimatively there is no logic behind it its a feeling. Its like two people arguing if the coin hidden under a blanket shows heads or tails. "I have the feeling its tails " "No way. its heads you just close your eyes to the truth to make your life easier" "You will never understand it its a way of life I know its tails besides thousends of years ago people said its tails also billions of people think its tails too" "No its illogical the people thousends of years ago said this and that and they were wrong said science so they must be wrong saying its tails" And so on.

@sapphi snake. No its not. Science trys to sort out all possibilities through disproving it. You make a theory and suggest an experiment that should disprove it and show that it cant be disproven with it other scientists will come up with other ways to disprove your theory. If they fail your theory wins slowly more credibility. Einsteins theory wasnt proven for years but scientists used it because every attempt to disprove it failed. This process is called Falsification and is the com,on way to sort good rrom bad theorys. See Falsifiability : http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

IHere a short passage:

"NoAre all swans white? The classical view of the philosophy of science is that it is the goal of science to "prove" such hypotheses or induce them from observational data. This seems hardly possible, since it would require us to infer a general rule from a number of individual cases, which is logically inadmissible. However, if we find one single black swan, logic allows us to conclude that the statement that all swans are white is false. Falsificationism thus strives for questioning, for falsification, of hypotheses instead of proving them"

That's also Agnostic.

Term for that would generally be Deist.... if you care.