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richardhutnik said:
sapphi_snake said:

 The purpose of life (according to Christianity) is to show god that you deserve salvation, however since god is all knowing, he already knows what you will do, and who will be saved and who won't, thus negatign the purpose Christians attribute to life. That's a contradiction.

 

Upon what state, form, knowledge base, experience, or whatever else you want to bring to the table, do you reach the conclusion that the purpose of life, according to Christianity, is to "show God that you deserve salvation".  I think it is very clear, based on scripture, doctrine, tradition, writing, and everything else, that salvation is by mercy, with grace and faith only, and no one deserves it.  If it was deserved, it wouldn't be an act of grace.  I am sorry that you have this understanding of the Christian faith, because it is inaccurate.  I could even get into Catholic theology saying the same thing.  I also can get into the nuances that determine whether someone accepts a full Augustinian view of total depravity (Reform theology) or allows for some free will in the matter (Catholic teaching).

I personally think, unless you can demonstrate even a basic understanding of Christian theology, you are ill equiped to speak about what Christianity says or what it is about.  It doesn't help matters if you bring ignorance and a perverted understanding that is wrong.  And, maybe you grew up in it, but it doesn't mean you understand it properly now.

 

Eastern Orthodox theology. I don't know what Catholics believe. Also, you can replace "deserve" with "should recieve by mercy" and I'm sure everyone will be happy.



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sapphi_snake said:

@DélioPT:

Being part of a culture does not mean everything.

For the vast majority of people, it is everything.

What God knows is what you have done/what happened. That`s the part you keep overlooking and making it unimportant when it makes all the difference.

In order for god to be all knowing, he needs to also know what WILL HAPPEN. Else god is not all knowing.

To which i answered: "If God wasn`t interested in you (corrected now) having power to decide then you wouldn`t have free will or the ability to think and feel. What God wants, and you can see that through Jesus' teachings is for you to understand and realize that your "best" is within God.
If you are created in His image, you and everyone are part of His nature: kind, good, forgiving... love. That`s why i said you find yourself in God.
"

In other words, god does not want individuality, but sameness and conformity. Do you even know what individuality is?

Being part of a culture does influence people but doesn`t make them what they are. They choose what they want to choose, when they want to choose.

"What God knows is what you have done/what happened. That`s the part you keep overlooking and making it unimportant when it makes all the difference. In order for god to be all knowing, he needs to also know what WILL HAPPEN. Else god is not all knowing"
I was seeing it from the "looking back" point of view.

Seeing it as conformity and sameness isn´t looking deep enough. Wanting to be with God is something you choose too because you see it as the best for you. Sameness? Well, if a million people see it as good why shouldn`t they go after it.
Individuality is seen not only on your decision to be with God, but how you live it with God. If you think that following a "set of rules" - which is not really the case, it`s much more than that - makes you lose your identity then you are not seeing right and also you forget that everyone follows rules, one way or another. There isn`t a full "I" because you don`t live alone in this world.



@DélioPT:

Being part of a culture does influence people but doesn`t make them what they are. They choose what they want to choose, when they want to choose.

Culture even influences what options people see worhty of being chose nor not. Haven't you seen films like Revolutionary Road? It perfectly illustrates how poeple often chose what they're told isw best for them, rather than what they personally want.

I was seeing it from the "looking back" point of view.

That's just one part of being all knowing.

Seeing it as conformity and sameness isn´t looking deep enough. Wanting to be with God is something you choose too because you see it as the best for you. Sameness? Well, if a million people see it as good why shouldn`t they go after it.
Individuality is seen not only on your decision to be with God, but how you live it with God. If you think that following a "set of rules" - which is not really the case, it`s much more than that - makes you lose your identity then you are not seeing right and also you forget that everyone follows rules, one way or another.

You're right about it being "much more than that". however that is not a good thing.

There isn`t a full "I" because you don`t live alone in this world.

If the "I" isn't full, then you have no identity.



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sapphi_snake said:

@DélioPT:

Being part of a culture does influence people but doesn`t make them what they are. They choose what they want to choose, when they want to choose.

Culture even influences what options people see worhty of being chose nor not. Haven't you seen films like Revolutionary Road? It perfectly illustrates how poeple often chose what they're told isw best for them, rather than what they personally want.

I was seeing it from the "looking back" point of view.

That's just one part of being all knowing.

Seeing it as conformity and sameness isn´t looking deep enough. Wanting to be with God is something you choose too because you see it as the best for you. Sameness? Well, if a million people see it as good why shouldn`t they go after it.
Individuality is seen not only on your decision to be with God, but how you live it with God. If you think that following a "set of rules" - which is not really the case, it`s much more than that - makes you lose your identity then you are not seeing right and also you forget that everyone follows rules, one way or another.

You're right about it being "much more than that". however that is not a good thing.

There isn`t a full "I" because you don`t live alone in this world.

If the "I" isn't full, then you have no identity.

Yes, cultures do have that impact on people. Heard about it here on the forums but haven`t watched that movie. See, we can agree on something after all! :D

Being a good or bad thing... well, it depends on who you are talking too. I say it`s good, you say it`s bad! :)

Problem is, no can do that. Still, you don`t lose your identity because of that, at least not to me.



DélioPT said:
sapphi_snake said:
 

See, it's all just contradictions.

I can understand why you say it, but believe me, when you have faith you`ll understand.

Faith is just a word representing the lack of evidence. If we had stopped at every step of scientific progress and said "We must have faith; God did this", we would never have got anywhere.



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Kantor said:
DélioPT said:
sapphi_snake said:
 

See, it's all just contradictions.

I can understand why you say it, but believe me, when you have faith you`ll understand.

Faith is just a word representing the lack of evidence. If we had stopped at every step of scientific progress and said "We must have faith; God did this", we would never have got anywhere.

Faith is the key of a relationship with God.



Now I'm going to say what I think of all of this. I don't care what anybody thinks of me after I'm done, and I don't plan on being able to change your minds on all of this.

First, I believe what the OP is saying. I am a christian and I do believe in the bible. Now, it's kinda hard for me to ignore the fact that the bible says that the world will turn to a one world government, and currency. It also states that we will go to a money-less society and everyone will use basically debit cards and such. How does the person writing the bible know about all of this, I mean come on it is really weird.

Second, someone posted about stuff that we have uncovered and how old things are, I dont know, but my mom made a very clear reason to why this is the case. She said that, if you believe in the bible, the flood that god made to kill off man kind made everything older than what it seems. By this I mean that the flood petrified things and made them look older, and this also would explain why they discovered fish bones on tops of mountains. Which most people think this is because of evolution, and for that to happen it would had to have had feet and then evolve to a fish which I think is highly unlikely.

And last, people and animals grew to enormous sizes in the bible, in the old testament. For ex. Goliath. And this would explain why everyone thinks the dinosaur bones are old and a different species, but really they could just be really big birds, or mammals.

This isn't really on topic but I just had to get that out there.

And just a reminder, this is my believes and opinions, and I really don't care if you believe it or not.



DélioPT said:
Kantor said:
DélioPT said:
sapphi_snake said:
 

See, it's all just contradictions.

I can understand why you say it, but believe me, when you have faith you`ll understand.

Faith is just a word representing the lack of evidence. If we had stopped at every step of scientific progress and said "We must have faith; God did this", we would never have got anywhere.

Faith is the key of a relationship with God.

Skepticism is the key to knowledge.



n_nod2012 said:
Now I'm going to say what I think of all of this. I don't care what anybody thinks of me after I'm done, and I don't plan on being able to change your minds on all of this.

First, I believe what the OP is saying. I am a christian and I do believe in the bible. Now, it's kinda hard for me to ignore the fact that the bible says that the world will turn to a one world government, and currency. It also states that we will go to a money-less society and everyone will use basically debit cards and such. How does the person writing the bible know about all of this, I mean come on it is really weird.

Second, someone posted about stuff that we have uncovered and how old things are, I dont know, but my mom made a very clear reason to why this is the case. She said that, if you believe in the bible, the flood that god made to kill off man kind made everything older than what it seems. By this I mean that the flood petrified things and made them look older, and this also would explain why they discovered fish bones on tops of mountains. Which most people think this is because of evolution, and for that to happen it would had to have had feet and then evolve to a fish which I think is highly unlikely.

And last, people and animals grew to enormous sizes in the bible, in the old testament. For ex. Goliath. And this would explain why everyone thinks the dinosaur bones are old and a different species, but really they could just be really big birds, or mammals.

This isn't really on topic but I just had to get that out there.

And just a reminder, this is my believes and opinions, and I really don't care if you believe it or not.

I'm not going to oppose your opinion, as there's simply no point to it. 

I'm just going to give you an advice. Stay away from any kind of scientific debate, for your sake mostly, because no one will take you seriously in the scientific circle.



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sapphi_snake said:
richardhutnik said:
sapphi_snake said:

 The purpose of life (according to Christianity) is to show god that you deserve salvation, however since god is all knowing, he already knows what you will do, and who will be saved and who won't, thus negatign the purpose Christians attribute to life. That's a contradiction.

Upon what state, form, knowledge base, experience, or whatever else you want to bring to the table, do you reach the conclusion that the purpose of life, according to Christianity, is to "show God that you deserve salvation".  I think it is very clear, based on scripture, doctrine, tradition, writing, and everything else, that salvation is by mercy, with grace and faith only, and no one deserves it.  If it was deserved, it wouldn't be an act of grace.  I am sorry that you have this understanding of the Christian faith, because it is inaccurate.  I could even get into Catholic theology saying the same thing.  I also can get into the nuances that determine whether someone accepts a full Augustinian view of total depravity (Reform theology) or allows for some free will in the matter (Catholic teaching).

I personally think, unless you can demonstrate even a basic understanding of Christian theology, you are ill equiped to speak about what Christianity says or what it is about.  It doesn't help matters if you bring ignorance and a perverted understanding that is wrong.  And, maybe you grew up in it, but it doesn't mean you understand it properly now.

 

Eastern Orthodox theology. I don't know what Catholics believe. Also, you can replace "deserve" with "should recieve by mercy" and I'm sure everyone will be happy.

You can try a different set of words, because "should receive mercy" likely would fit everyone.  It still doesn't work at all.  I do know what you stated some people live like, but that is not the core of the Christian religion.