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hikaruchan on 28 June 2011

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Final Fantasy is dead thread No.2000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

I exited.



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pariz on 28 June 2011
darkknightkryta said:
pariz said:

Mediocrity is relative, we all know that. Square Enix is free to do what they want with their OP and the public is free to react to that the way they feel. Keep in mind that audiences are complex "entities" and though lots of fans disliked the game, many other loved it. As far as I know the game didn't sell bad at all, regardless of bad critics and fanboys whining like babies. But pretending Final Fantasy series not to try new things is something weird.
The game failed to reach universal claim and I think that's something that won't happen ever again to a Final Fantasy game. Expectations are ridiculously high each and every time and people love to bash old glories as much as adolescents love pointing out their parents flaws. It makes them feel they are somehow more important.

That's not what I was arguing, accepting a mediocre game for "What it is" doesn't lead to progression.  If every accepted the way Final Fantasy XIII is, then what's there to stop Square from making the next title better?  Like Final Fantasy XIII isn't a bad game, but I expect a certain level of quality from my Final Fantasy games and compared to what I get from the other titles, this was crap; I payed 60 dollars for a game with 30 dollars worth of content.  Just accepting mediocre games will lead to us getting less and less.  Bad enough the average length of a game this gen is 5 hours.


Of course I see your point and I share your point. I want them to deliver the best experiences possible out of every new game they made.
Maybe I am just sensitive about this subject because I gave lots of credit to fans and reviews but then one day I said "I gotta try this for myself, I owe it to the good old times", and you know what? I loved it.



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scottie on 28 June 2011
d21lewis said:
Let's hope some of the criticisms given about FF13 get acknowledged by FF13-2.

 

From dev interviews it sounds like they have to some degree.



darkknightkryta on 28 June 2011
pariz said:
darkknightkryta said:
pariz said:

Mediocrity is relative, we all know that. Square Enix is free to do what they want with their OP and the public is free to react to that the way they feel. Keep in mind that audiences are complex "entities" and though lots of fans disliked the game, many other loved it. As far as I know the game didn't sell bad at all, regardless of bad critics and fanboys whining like babies. But pretending Final Fantasy series not to try new things is something weird.
The game failed to reach universal claim and I think that's something that won't happen ever again to a Final Fantasy game. Expectations are ridiculously high each and every time and people love to bash old glories as much as adolescents love pointing out their parents flaws. It makes them feel they are somehow more important.

That's not what I was arguing, accepting a mediocre game for "What it is" doesn't lead to progression.  If every accepted the way Final Fantasy XIII is, then what's there to stop Square from making the next title better?  Like Final Fantasy XIII isn't a bad game, but I expect a certain level of quality from my Final Fantasy games and compared to what I get from the other titles, this was crap; I payed 60 dollars for a game with 30 dollars worth of content.  Just accepting mediocre games will lead to us getting less and less.  Bad enough the average length of a game this gen is 5 hours.


Of course I see your point and I share your point. I want them to deliver the best experiences possible out of every new game they made.
Maybe I am just sensitive about this subject because I gave lots of credit to fans and reviews but then one day I said "I gotta try this for myself, I owe it to the good old times", and you know what? I loved it.

Nothing's wrong with that, I mean I think this game gets hate for no reason sometimes too.  But personally I didn't mind the game being linear, they just made bad design decisions.  But ultimately there were 12 games before it that had such fantastic execution, and the game is really bad when compared to them.



TruckOSaurus on 28 June 2011
hatmoza said:
TruckOSaurus said:
I completely agree with the OP.

I just got into Lost Odyssey this weekend and it reminded me of what Final Fantasy XIII was lacking. I love barging into people's houses and searching their pots, drawers and dressers, walking around a town trying to find everything I can to give me an extra edge later in battle. I also love having tons of things to collect (seeds, items for sidequests, ingredients for rings), having a world map and being able to decide where I want to go.

FFXIII was just walking down a long corridor while a story unfolds (a poorly told one too).


I respect people who share their disaistfactory with FF XIII

I personally use FF XIII as a measure to who has real tastes in games.

In other words, respect. Also, you need to post more often in gaming threads

I know, I know. I've been spending too much time in the off topic section.



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huaxiong90 on 28 June 2011
EdHieron said:
I think it's kind of like some folks' opinions of Obama. Back at the beginning of the gen a lot of people were upset that it was supposed to be an exclusive for PS3 that would have definitely put PS3 over the 360 a long time ago if had been kept exclusive and come out in 2008. Then a lot of PS3 fans got ticked off that it was coming to 360 as well, so all of this this animosity towards this game has colored later impressions of it.

Are you really that clueless?



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brendude13 on 28 June 2011

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deskpro2k3 on 28 June 2011
Hynad said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Hynad said:
deskpro2k3 said:
I'm skipping XIII-2. It taken about a year or less for them to develop XIII-2, so I'm not going to expect anything ground breaking. Its like this is their last ditch effort to make their fanbase happy. I wonder why they couldn't think about putting those extra content in the original game in the first place. Oh wait.. Yeah I know why

It's taken them more than a year to develop it, as production isn't over yet.  Plus, the fact that the game is set in the same world as XIII, obviously, it allows them to re-use game assets. Which means that the production could go much faster than XIII, which had to be built from the ground up after they spent years building their Crystal Tool Engine.  

Final Fantasy XII production started in 2001 and was released on 2006 in Japan. Shortly after Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings follow-up was released in 2007 for the DS 1 year after the release of the original.

For FF XIII, think about when the sequel was first decided upon. Every Final Fantasy title takes a few years to develop and produce. Square Enix will try to have Final Fantasy XIII-2 out by the end of 2011, which only a one-year gap.

So how long did they know they'd create a sequel? thats why i'm saying it is like a last ditch effort to make fans happy, and I'm not going to expect much from it.


FF XII went through many production problems that prior games didn't get. So I don't think you should take this one as an example. Would you concider the PS era Final Fantasy games disapointing, considering the fact that they were released so close to each others? VIII was released 2 years after VII and IX was released 1 year 5 months after VIII. Add X to the mix and that one got released roughly a year and a month after IX. Now, hardly anyone would argue that all those titles aren't quality ones, no matter what complaints you may have for their art styles, settings or battle systems.

i don't understand why you choose 7 and 8 for examples since they're completely different games compared to each other. the fact of the matter is production and development is short. 2009 in japan but, they have to do localization, and before that development slowed down since it went multiplat as well.



A203D on 28 June 2011
deskpro2k3 said:
Hynad said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Hynad said:
deskpro2k3 said:
I'm skipping XIII-2. It taken about a year or less for them to develop XIII-2, so I'm not going to expect anything ground breaking. Its like this is their last ditch effort to make their fanbase happy. I wonder why they couldn't think about putting those extra content in the original game in the first place. Oh wait.. Yeah I know why

It's taken them more than a year to develop it, as production isn't over yet.  Plus, the fact that the game is set in the same world as XIII, obviously, it allows them to re-use game assets. Which means that the production could go much faster than XIII, which had to be built from the ground up after they spent years building their Crystal Tool Engine.  

Final Fantasy XII production started in 2001 and was released on 2006 in Japan. Shortly after Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings follow-up was released in 2007 for the DS 1 year after the release of the original.

For FF XIII, think about when the sequel was first decided upon. Every Final Fantasy title takes a few years to develop and produce. Square Enix will try to have Final Fantasy XIII-2 out by the end of 2011, which only a one-year gap.

So how long did they know they'd create a sequel? thats why i'm saying it is like a last ditch effort to make fans happy, and I'm not going to expect much from it.


FF XII went through many production problems that prior games didn't get. So I don't think you should take this one as an example. Would you concider the PS era Final Fantasy games disapointing, considering the fact that they were released so close to each others? VIII was released 2 years after VII and IX was released 1 year 5 months after VIII. Add X to the mix and that one got released roughly a year and a month after IX. Now, hardly anyone would argue that all those titles aren't quality ones, no matter what complaints you may have for their art styles, settings or battle systems.

i don't understand why you choose 7 and 8 for examples since they're completely different games compared to each other. the fact of the matter is production and development is short. 2009 in japan but, they have to do localization, and before that development slowed down since it went multiplat as well.

The fundamental difference between FF12 and FF13 is that FF12 is a 200 hour packed game, with so many gameplay options. its obvious the time spent on FF12 was spent on creating a massive gameplay driven RPG. FF13s time was spent capturing and rendering 6 hours of non interactive cutscenes and developing a game engine to run those cutscenes, an engine which has now been said to be obsolete.



Aiddon on 28 June 2011

well, of course FF is a zombie now. In terms of quality the series proved it wasn't immune to crap when FF8 rolled around with overly complicated mechanics and a poorly told story (though if one goes by the theory that discs 2-4 are Squall dreaming right before he dies from Edea running him through with an ice spear then suddenly it makes sense). Then FF12's production came, costing the company their most talented man (Matsuno) when things started to melt down due to separate halves of the team fighting over direction and executive meddling (like making Vaan the main character LATE in planning stages because Square thought people couldn't relate to a cool, older guy with a chip on his shoulder like Basch).

I know the series will continue selling, I'm not stupid, but in terms of quality both on the story and gameplay fronts the series is dead. You'll never get a truly great FF ever again, not the way Square is now