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Do you believe the USA government was involved in 9/11?

Yes 181 40.58%
 
No 201 45.07%
 
Maybe 61 13.68%
 
Total:443
voty2000 on 17 June 2011
hudsoniscool said:
voty2000 said:
The black box thing is just stupid.

1. When a plane explodes in the air the heat can dissipate all over but in a building the heat is contained causing higher temperatures which makes loosing the black box more likely.

2. An entire freaking skyscraper fell on it. What are the chances of actually finding it? Ever sifted through a sky scrapper full of ruble?

Everything the conspiracy theorist come up with is dis-proven again and again and they just never stop. I used to have a bunch a links showing the faults in the arguments but it's pointless. You can use all the facts in the world and they just ignore it.

They don't want the truth, they want to prove that it is a conspiracy which is why they will always be wrong. They don't look at the facts, they fit tiny pieces to their theory to make it seem plausible

Before 9/11 there had ony been 1 black box(the other one from the plane was found) that was never found on ground (agian besides the ones at 19k feet). Even with all that rubble the odds of all 4 never being found is astronomical. there were eyewitness reports of three of the black boxes being recovered. link is here

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2004/281004blackbox.htm

Furthermore with the dozens of reports that there was an explosion from the basement its clear there was a cover up. some might say these people only said that after hearing 1 person "make that up" but most of these eyewitnesses said this from right after the buildings fell through the next day.

http://cheney.pblog.org/2011/03/10/911-explosion-in-the-north-tower-before-the-plane-hit-eyewitness/

is this man lying, did hear it from some one else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3uFvOiTNz4

In this video you dont see anyone object to what the lady is saying, they also believe the was an explosion from the basement.

 

Yup, you're willing to believe 2 guys over the entire NYPD and the fire department the FBI and CIA over the black box stuff.  I can make crap up to.  Also, a building just got hit by a plane, people freak when they are in panic so their word is not reliable.  Who knows what the noise in the basement was or even if their was one. 

Grasping at straws is all this is. 



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brendude13 on 17 June 2011

I don't know...

But WTC7 stinks of shit, that's all I know.



Onibaka on 17 June 2011
Max King of the Wild said:

I actually dont think the collapse is too fishy at all. The integrety of the building would be majorly comprimised with an impact of a plane flying straight into it.

Also, eyewitness reports are starting to loose validity in court. The eyewitness' memory of the events become questionable immediatly after they happen. Example: A police officer asks a witness "was the suspect black" and right away the witness will agree with it if they werent sure to begin with... the thought will be implanted just from a simple question like that. Also, if the witness goes up to someone and then they talk about the events from their point of view the witness when recalling it later will mix their point of view up with the other one all while thinking this was their point of view the entire time. A witness might not have seena detail and convince themselves they missed it because it wasnt there to begin with (as for your question the planes paintings) Source: Psych 101.

Also, why are you questioning pentagon footage? LOL... you think the governement is going to realease footage of the most secrative building in the country...

Not saying their wasnt inside involvement in the events but these two arguements are poor at best.

Just the fact that the pentagon exists should be frightening.

Pentagon is one of the best symbols and examples of anti-democracy.



geddesmond2 on 17 June 2011

Do I believe 9/11 was a conspiracy? Absolutley. But did the US government set it up? Who knows. Unless your the people who hijacked and flew those planes into the buildings or the Explosive experts who rigged both towers with explosive then we will never know.

I know the US government's hands ain't dirty when it comes to things like this and they had a lot to gain from starting this whole war on terrorism. I also don't believe the US killed Osama Bin Laden because they got rid of his body so fast by dropping it into the sea and they refused to release photos of his dead body.



Kantor on 17 June 2011
Onibaka said:

I don't know....Nobody really knows what really is happening.

Maybe Osama was already dead, or not...

What I really know is that the World is not a sea of flowers....And, because of Internet, we have great access to information.

I don't have 100% certainty in most things that I know. And that's a good thing, because I like to think. Skepticism along with Curiosity is the base of most of our knowledge and evolution.

But back on topic, from the information that i gathered from different sources, I think that there is more than 99% of chance of existing a Global Elite powerful enough to shape the world as they want. Powerful enough to end the World's poverty. Powerful enough to make the world even more poorer(and that is what's happening). So if there is such people, then the question is what they want. And there is a enormous chance that they don't see a future so bright to "plebs".

What I don't like is the idea that all things happening in the world today are "spontaneous". If you want to know more of the truth, you need to search about all fields in modern society and how they correlate.

We can't really be certain of anything, but there are certain things we have to assume so that we don't go insane. How do you know the man standing next to you at the bus stop isn't an illuminati spy sent to track you down and interrogate you? How do you know Obama, Romney, Palin and Ron Paula aren't all killer cyborgs controlled by martians?

As for the global elite... it's certainly true that there are powerful people in this world. People more powerful than any President or Prime Minister. It's also probably true that they work together to accomplish all of their goals. But if they honestly held all of this power, why are they doing nothing with it? More to the point, what are they trying to achieve? I refuse to believe we live in a secret Orwellian society or any such nonsense.



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Rath on 17 June 2011
Kantor said:
Onibaka said:

I don't know....Nobody really knows what really is happening.

Maybe Osama was already dead, or not...

What I really know is that the World is not a sea of flowers....And, because of Internet, we have great access to information.

I don't have 100% certainty in most things that I know. And that's a good thing, because I like to think. Skepticism along with Curiosity is the base of most of our knowledge and evolution.

But back on topic, from the information that i gathered from different sources, I think that there is more than 99% of chance of existing a Global Elite powerful enough to shape the world as they want. Powerful enough to end the World's poverty. Powerful enough to make the world even more poorer(and that is what's happening). So if there is such people, then the question is what they want. And there is a enormous chance that they don't see a future so bright to "plebs".

What I don't like is the idea that all things happening in the world today are "spontaneous". If you want to know more of the truth, you need to search about all fields in modern society and how they correlate.

We can't really be certain of anything, but there are certain things we have to assume so that we don't go insane. How do you know the man standing next to you at the bus stop isn't an illuminati spy sent to track you down and interrogate you? How do you know Obama, Romney, Palin and Ron Paula aren't all killer cyborgs controlled by martians?

As for the global elite... it's certainly true that there are powerful people in this world. People more powerful than any President or Prime Minister. It's also probably true that they work together to accomplish all of their goals. But if they honestly held all of this power, why are they doing nothing with it? More to the point, what are they trying to achieve? I refuse to believe we live in a secret Orwellian society or any such nonsense.

Well at least some of the global elite are pooling all of their vast resources together to... uh.. improve mankind through a transparent charity. Gosh that's awful =P.

 

As for the topic. The conspiracy is not based on evidence, according to most experts in the field the collapse of the buildings is exactly as would be expected under the conditions. Like most conspiracy theories it points out a few perceived anomalies in the mainstream explanation and builds an intricate lattice of theories on top of these.



Metallicube on 17 June 2011

I suggest everyone interested in this topic check out this vid, made by a highly regarded architect (watch all 13 parts when you get the chance, trust me its well worth it):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b74naeawdCs

It's MUCH better and more informative than the more widely known Loose Change, and shows why it's scientifically IMPOSSIBLE for the towers to fall the way they did without explosives. Unlike Loose Change and many other 9/11 conspiracy documentaries that use speculation for the bulk of their content, this movie actually uses the principles of physics and engineering in disproving the official story. This is the video that officially sealed the deal for me in terms of believing the conspiracy.



Nirvana_Nut85 on 17 June 2011

First of all, good job to the people who support the controlled demolition theory, you've absolutely destroyed the opposition. Secondly, sorry I didn't see this earlier as I would have joined in this debate but most of the supporting evidence has already been stated.

Here's a great site that provides a significant amount of information that easily refutes the popular mechanics or NIST reports http://www.ae911truth.org/en/evidence.html



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MrBubbles on 18 June 2011

building seven did not collapse at free fall speeds



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arcane_chaos on 18 June 2011
RCTjunkie said:
....are you serious?


this

I think for all the conspiracy theorist, I recommend watching the History Channels "9/11 conspiracy: fact or fiction", they really hammered away every aspect of all the events of 9/11(from the twin towers to pentagon") coming from the 9/11 theorist, BUT they also do include their side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Gc_Wyotzw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SpADWOCqCs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHZ4w8feL1g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxa5dLSIWrM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B3BBD6_g6U&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiSaZRmzCm8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7MIQtPklzs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikovKyhWGcE&feature=related

 videos are 1-9 in decending order though part 5 is missing..too lazy to really look for it, part 5 was more on the pentagon crash and the plane(united 93) that crashed in Pennslyvania, part 6 has a little bit of it