Monty said: Stromprophet said: M$ has shipped a ton of unsold consoles. I'll give you one evidence. Blue Dragon shipment to Japan. They had over 100,000 consoles available for that deal at launch and they sold what 30,000? 35,000? That 100,000 was in addition to what they already ship there monthly. That's way over what they actually were able to sell in Japan in December. Right now it is a marketing tactic for M$, and they are trying to inflate their numbers. Just like Nintendo will, and Sony will too once both of those stop selling out when they make shipments. They will ship more than there is demand for and start saying they have shipped or sold that many. You obviously have absolutely no grasp of how shipped/sold works. MS can not ship a console unless it is ordered by a store. MS can't just start shipping consoles to Best Buy as a "marketing tactic" to up its numbers. And even if they could, it would be a stupid tactic as at some point they aren't going to be able to ship anymore as the market was too flooded. This "tactic" wouldn't last long at all, and in the end would kick a company in the rear end when they quit selling/shipping consoles altogether due to oversaturation. MS counts its "sold" units when they leave their control and is "sold" to a retailer. MS has their money, and to them it is a "sold" console. A retailer only buys a console from MS when it feels it has a need to have that console. This is how all the video game companies do it... Nintendo, Sony, MS... all of them count a sold console this way. To them, that's all they can track, and really all they are concerned with... it's their bottom line. To put it another way, a console company can NOT just rent a warehouse in the desert and stack it full of 10 million consoles and count them as "sold". It's not the way the system works, and in the end it would be a terrible tactic for a company.

Monty said: The North Pole is a region too. Seeing as how it's unpopulated, I would say that's the easiest to track region - if that's what you're looking for. However, I must say your logic completely escapes me. It's probably smarter if we compare countries to countries, continents to continents, and so forth.

UltimateNinja9 said: Why are we debating the numbers for a system that can't even beat the PS2? The fact is that when games like GT5, FF13, and MGS4 come out PS3 sales will skyrocket. Also, a PS3 price drop is inevitable because price drops are part of every console's life cycle. PS3 price drop + GT5 + FF13 + MGS4 = Microsoft and Nintendo get WTF pwned by Sony, again. So it doesn't matter what the 360's numbers are because it's just gonna get beat by Sony. Oh wait, that's right, Sony's already whooping the 360's ass with the PS2, LOL!!!

NoIdea said: Monty said: The North Pole is a region too. Seeing as how it's unpopulated, I would say that's the easiest to track region - if that's what you're looking for. However, I must say your logic completely escapes me. It's probably smarter if we compare countries to countries, continents to continents, and so forth. Well, that was dumb thing to say on your part. And figures for Japan include other Asain countries and regions.

DreamsCast said: Wow, Monty seriously man! You need some lessons in logical reasoning dude...

Diomedes1976 said: The shops order tons of consoles for the christmas period ...if all goes well and they sold everything they would command more in january if not there isnt so much of a problem they will sell them trough the first quarter and at least they have received some incentives as rappels for purchasing a big shipment ... seeing as there are tons of consoles on the shops we have to put us in the second scenario ...they arent purchasing any more in some time to come .

Monty said: NoIdea said: Monty said: The North Pole is a region too. Seeing as how it's unpopulated, I would say that's the easiest to track region - if that's what you're looking for. However, I must say your logic completely escapes me. It's probably smarter if we compare countries to countries, continents to continents, and so forth. Well, that was dumb thing to say on your part. And figures for Japan include other Asain countries and regions. Care to elaborate on your claim that Japanese games sales figures account for other Asian countries and regions, or post some proof of that? If not, I've got to say that's a load of crap! Japan's figures, are "Japan's" figures... not the rest of Asia! Take the Xbox 1 for example, in late 2004 they had sold 1.4 million Xbox's in Asia, and only about 400k were actually from Japan. My point is that complete Asia figures can be a lot higher than just Japan's figures. http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=8498

NoIdea said: I see, I need proof for something to be true, but you dont? Anyways, here: http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps2_e.html "*Figures for Japan include shipments to Asian countries and regions including South Korea"