crumas2 said: ChronotriggerJM said: @Pasenger The problem though is that I can't get the same experience for cheaper. I have yet to see a 360 title that impresses me more than Uncharted, Ratchet, OR heavenly sword :/  With MS's latest killer exclusive Mass Effect, I played it, and was not technically impressed. I was not wow'ed in the least. Then I think about games like GT5 on the horizon running 1080p, 60 FPS, and supporting 16 cars online? The sad thing is, I would say Assassins creed is probably the best looking game I've seen on the 360, and thats multi-plat :( Keep in mind I have played Gears of War, Halo 3, Bioshock AND Mass Effect. Broken promises are one thing, notoriously horrible hardware is another :( Getting your box fixed in European country's has been a major hastle from what I've heard and isn't so easily remedied. Microsoft will be fighting the uphilll battle in Europe/Japan, and to be honest I don't think thats a fight they're prepared for. They will do great in America though :P Most people I know who bought Heavenly Sword were disappointed in the gameplay, although the visuals were really great.  If you feel that Bioshock, Halo 3, GOW, and Mass Effect aren't impressive games, then you should rejoice in the fact that you own a PS3.   Unfortunately, the sales numbers for those titles tend to suggest that a large number of gamers like the 360 titles that you mentioned.  I know I've spent many hours playing Halo 3 and GOW, and I was very impressed with the graphics and play.  Perhaps the 6 million people who bought Halo 3 are all stupid and don't know a unimpressive game when they see it.

I agree with BioShock and GeoW. Those 2 along with Uncharted, WarHawk and CoD4 are definetely the best games available on next-gen consoles. Can't agree with ME and Halo 3, they are not that impressive. ME is full of technical issues and it's boring while Halo 3 is just another Halo and I never liked the franchise at all.

But I feel sad that Uncharted and WarHawk are not on the 360 since I know lots of people would love those games. Also I wish BioShock and GeoW were on the PS3 (I played BioShock on the PC and GeoW on the 360).

WarHawk is pretty impressive, 32 players online at 60 FPS with very large maps. I dare anyone that likes online shooters to try it and tell me it's not an awesome game. All my friends that are Halo fans love it.

Crumas2, you should buy a PS3. I bet you would love Uncharted and WarHawk. 360 is doomed anyway, j/k ;)

madskillz said: jimmay said: madskillz said: PDF said: madskillz said: Unfortunately, PS3 worshippers are using old data to predict a future outcome. Yes, folks love the PS brand, but this is a new generation and saying the PS3 will beat the 360 because the PS2 beat the Xbox is insane. Let's look at this in business terms - the PS3, in the period of a year, dropped 2-3 SKUs (if you count the Euro 60gb PS3 with limited BC), had 2-3 price cuts and introed 3 new SKUs to try and generate sales. Now that the holidays are here and folks are more than generous to spend money on gifts and Sony supporters are declaring victory. Sorry, but your console is what ... 7 million units behind. Wake me up with your rants when it's knocking on the Wii's door. Any product that goes through 3 deleted skus, 2 price cuts and 3 new skus WITHIN ITS FIRST YEAR is a failure. It was rolled out without a true plan and absolutely no commitment to success. Sony did all of that in the PS3's first year because it wasn't producing the awesome results it was expecting. And to think - the 360 is still selling consoles. Of course it's going to lose market share - it started at 100 percent, and I guess it's uphill from there. Sony fanbots should just admit - this is a small start, but Sony's gotta brainwash a whole lotta folks AND stop the 360 from selling to dominate. And then, there's the Wii. As much as folks wanna call me an Xbot, I am looking at the entire situation for the result. And the truth is, the 360 and PS3 are fighting for second. Even if the Wii is a bust, there's enough hype to leave it in first place for a long, long time. And another reason the PS3 is in a bad position - true, folks are buying PS3s and anticipating a flood of games. What if those games keep getting delayed ... and delayed ... and delayed? Will you continue to say 'I am satisfied with this mediocre game' or just throw in the towel? Sony hasn't learned jack about pleasing customers. And sadly, most customers are so blinded by Sony they will buy a product from them without doing any research whatsoever. And let's not forget the bottom line - getting paid. Will Sony do more fire sales to stay in the hunt? They are gaining market share, but losing tons of money on the *cheapiest* BR player on the market ... and it PLAYS GAMES! Sony fans - enjoy this seasonal bump - and don't be shocked when sales for the PS3 plummet like a lead balloon. So your angry that Sony fans are positive? There not bashing other consoles and other fanboys like you just did. All they are doing is saying we doing ok and that pisses you off for some reason. No, I am not pissed off at all. What I am saying is - folks are declaring victory and the battle hasn't begun. It would be sooo funny if the PS3 was leading all the consoles, but it's not even a strong 3rd place holder currently. Sure, it can change, but from what I have seen on several forums all over the Web, PS3 fanboys are quick to condemn the 360 - state these default arguments - the 360 has no built-in wifi, 33% failure rate, no high def player and costs $60 a year to play on LIVE. And that's not just here - that's universal. When you buy a PS3, are you required to learn that creed? Is it like the Manchurian Candidate chant? "Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life." - just replace a few words: "The PS3 has built-in wifi, a high-definition player, free online multiplayer and the best gaming experience on the planet." I just love reading from posters passionate about the PS3. It's so much fun! The Wii folks will laugh and the 360 boys will rant some, but not like die-hard PS3 bots. Based on that alone, and knowing I'll be online with those same folks, I would rather stick with the LIVE bunch or game online with my Wii. Sorry but that is a load of rubbish, for every demented ps3 fanboy their is a nintendo or xbox360 one. The ps3 has made great improvements compared to what it was doing and now sells on par with what the 360 does. Looking into the future the ps3 has the best games coming out so why shouldn't people be enthuiastic for it. There's absolutely no point in arguing with someone who won't see from another person's viewpoint. I can see the PS3's saving graces, but I also see it realistically. You have little to no proof that the Sony will continue upward after the holidays. Based on ... what? Re-read some old Game Informer mags and listen to them talk about the availablity of the PS3 vs. the Wii/360 console drought. And not just them, but the Electronic Gaming Monthly edition with the smashed tomato on the cover. It's really a show of desparation on your part. You are clinging - and I use that term sparingly - to a morsel of info. So what it's selling more than the 360. Sure, 100K is really, really going to chip away at a 7M plus lead. When the 360 is getting beat handedly in all regions, sure, I'll admit it. But it's not - and barely beating the 360 by 100K overall. Sorry, but it's the holidays and the 40gb is really appealing to euro gamers. Ok ... but are you convinced the PS3 will maintain the slim lead it has on the 360? Will you retreat in silence when folks pull this thread back out to flash in your face when your statements are false? And you really, really have a lot of confidence in a company who's squandered the massive gains it earned in the PS1-PS2 generations. It's a shell of what it used to be. And the PS isn't even a PS with *core values.* It's nothing more than a cheap attempt by Sony to get back into this next-gen race. That's it. I mean, Sony had the nerve to get more folks to buy PS3 games - and removed the BC to get it done. Forget that. I won't have a company prod me to buy something when they want me to unless they give it to me.

I see your point of view but sadly it's one of a fanboy. Microsoft have already shot their load, it doesn't get any better than launching their flagship title halo along with most of their other top franchises. Sony on the other hand haven't launch any of their halo sized franchises yet and most of their medium sized exclusives are yet to come out either. Without most of their big games their selling on par with the 360, what do you think is going to happen when most of these games come out, that maybe some how things are going to get worse for the ps3 lol??? Nobody can say for 100% sure how things will turn out but you'd have to be a moron to not think with sonys best games still to come out that things won't pick up even more for the ps3.

"PS3 may never catchup to the 360"

only time will tell. Predictions are pointless unless you are some kind of fortune teller or you have travelled into the future.

TurdFergusonMcGee said: "PS3 may never catchup to the 360" only time will tell. Predictions are pointless unless you are some kind of fortune teller or you have travelled into the future.

Boy are all you guys gonna be suprised by the 3DO resurgence in 2011!

misterd said: TurdFergusonMcGee said: "PS3 may never catchup to the 360" only time will tell. Predictions are pointless unless you are some kind of fortune teller or you have travelled into the future. Boy are all you guys gonna be suprised by the 3DO resurgence in 2011!

No one will buy it, people will be busy with the revolution, and PS3.

krik said: I agree with BioShock and GeoW. Those 2 along with Uncharted, WarHawk and CoD4 are definetely the best games available on next-gen consoles. Can't agree with ME and Halo 3, they are not that impressive. ME is full of technical issues and it's boring while Halo 3 is just another Halo and I never liked the franchise at all. But I feel sad that Uncharted and WarHawk are not on the 360 since I know lots of people would love those games. Also I wish BioShock and GeoW were on the PS3 (I played BioShock on the PC and GeoW on the 360). WarHawk is pretty impressive, 32 players online at 60 FPS with very large maps. I dare anyone that likes online shooters to try it and tell me it's not an awesome game. All my friends that are Halo fans love it. Crumas2, you should buy a PS3. I bet you would love Uncharted and WarHawk. 360 is doomed anyway, j/k ;)

 

I understand that you don't like Halo, but there are millions of people who do like Halo, myself included, so this doesn't convince me I need a PS3.  I've been to many all-night Halo parties with guys from work, and I never get tired of it.  The last Halo party I went to was exclusively Halo 3, and everyone thought it was great.  4-way split screen on HDTVs at the higher resolution made it much easier to see enemies from a distance, etc., watching great frags via the Theater mode had everyone just about rolling on the floor laughing, and we've just starting tapping the potential of the Forge.  We're all looking forward to the next party.  So, I guess I'm sorry to hear that you don't enjoy it.  The rest of us are having a blast.

 

It would be great to have Uncharted on the 360, but Warhawk doesn't excite me, primarily because I'm not into flying games (yeah, and the rest of you guys are having a blast... .  I'm not good at flying games, and I eventually get motion sickness.  If this wasn't the case, I would definitely buy Ace Combat 6 on the 360.  I've played around with it and the visuals are impressive and the story is great IMHO.

 

But here are the reasons why I have no intention, at this time, of purchasing a PS3 (this might change in time):

 

1. Price.  We already have a 360, a Wii, and a PS2.  Convincing the wife that we need to spend money on a 4th console would be quite a challenge, particularly at $500.  I *might* have a shot at it if Sony hadn't dropped BC on the $400 unit, but there's no way we can get a PS3 if it doesn't play the PS2 games so we can eliminate a console.  Thanks Sony.

 

2. Space.  The 360 and Wii live in our entertainment center in the living room along with our HDTV, Sat. receiver, audio receiver, etc.  Adding another component the size of the PS3 just isn't going to work and we just bought the entertainment center...

 

3. Weak games lineup.  Other than Resistance and Uncharted, there isn't much exclusive to the PS3 that I want (I'm not into driving games so GT and Forza, etc. just don't interest me).  I know I'm probably going to get flamed for saying that the PS3's lineup is weak.  The funny part is it will likely be from the same guys who say the PS3 is going to break into a full run in 2008 because no AAA or even AA titles have been released yet.  LOL!  I like FPS games quite a bit, particularly ones with split screen, and there isn't much available or coming that I know of on the PS3 (when one of the guys at work complained about this, I set out to prove him wrong, and found out I was wrong instead, except for Haze which has been delayed).

 

4. Poor design decisions.  Yes the 360 has the dreaded RROD, and I feel fortunate that it hasn't bitten me in the 18 months I've had a 360 (probably because I have an auxiliary cooling fan on my 360 that blows air through it, and I've added a cooling fan to my entertainment center to vent heat from the 360).  But I didn't know about the RROD when I bought my 360, and I'm very happy with the system so far.  Sony, on the other hand made some decisions that I don't care for, either.  First off, 2 of the 3 engineers in my department who own PS3s have stopped playing Resistance Online because they're tired of the PS3 wireless controllers freezing at times when the WIFI and Bluetooth interfere with each other.  I would have the same problem unless I started cutting holes from upstairs to downstairs to run an ethernet cable.  Sony should have realized that WIFI and Bluetooth share part of the same spectrum.  I really dislike using wired controllers and having people trip over the cords, so this isn't a good option for me.  Also, Sony made a really poor design decision when they built the rechargeable batteries into the wireless controllers instead of following the 360 design.  Pop off the dead battery pack and pop on a fresh one from the recharging tree.  I know it costs a little more that way, but I'm willing to shell out the extra $30 bucks to have this convenience.  The option just isn't there for the PS3.  Built in Blu-ray.  Yeah, everyone with a PS3 thinks this is great.  On the other hand, I already have the HD-DVD drive and quite a few movies (absolutely had to have the Matrix).  If Blu-ray ends up winning the war, then I will wait until either a cheap dual-format player is available or until standalone Blu-ray players can be purchased for less than $150 (which will replace my DVD/VHS player).  People who have PS3 could do the same, i.e. - buy a standalone HD-DVD player if any title they wanted never ended up on Blu-ray, but a current PS3 will never have the ability to play anything but Blu-ray.  I'm hoping MS will release a dual-format drive for cheap for the 360 so I can use one unit to play both.  Again, just not an option with the PS3.

 

So, as you can see, there isn't just one reason why I won't be buying a PS3 anytime soon.  It's a great machine except for the battery pack, WIFI/controller interference, Blu-ray only, and limited games library issues.  All the other considerations have to do with my particular situation.  

 

You guys are forgetting one thing. Sony hates to lose. They made the PS1 to spite Nintendo for backstabbing them with the SNES CD. We've never seen Sony put in a position where they simply must try to be the best because they've been the best the past 2 generations. This could be really dangerous for MS and Nintendo. You've already seen how aggressive they've become with the price point. They've cut the price so much already and i'm sure they are looking for a way to cut it again. The fact is, the huge games for 360 have been launched already. PS3 still has many to go. In fact, DMC4 and Burnout Paradise are looking better on PS3 according to 1up. If this continues, the 360 will be flying to the back of the line sooner than expected. I know everyone hates to hear "wait and see" because we've been waiting for a year for good games, but they are coming. PS3 is winning in worldwide numbers and it will only take 2-3 years of that to pass the 360 if it can do a little better in the US. This is a fun time to be a gamer, lots of competition.

Xiru said: You guys are forgetting one thing. Sony hates to lose. They made the PS1 to spite Nintendo for backstabbing them with the SNES CD. We've never seen Sony put in a position where they simply must try to be the best because they've been the best the past 2 generations. This could be really dangerous for MS and Nintendo. You've already seen how aggressive they've become with the price point. They've cut the price so much already and i'm sure they are looking for a way to cut it again. The fact is, the huge games for 360 have been launched already. PS3 still has many to go. In fact, DMC4 and Burnout Paradise are looking better on PS3 according to 1up. If this continues, the 360 will be flying to the back of the line sooner than expected. I know everyone hates to hear "wait and see" because we've been waiting for a year for good games, but they are coming. PS3 is winning in worldwide numbers and it will only take 2-3 years of that to pass the 360 if it can do a little better in the US. This is a fun time to be a gamer, lots of competition.

I would agree with you except for one factor... MS has a lot more cash and ability to lose money on this venture than Sony.  Sony used to make money on their games division, but is losing money right now due to the bath it's taking on the PS3.  MS spent hundreds of millions on a browser they never intended to sell just to keep it from becoming a competing software platform.  They never made money on their games division until recently (billions spent but they haven't blinked yet).  Sounds like Sony is going to have a hard road if they try to outlast MS by bleeding red for long.

 

So who will blink first in this game of chicken?

 

Why do people keep saying that the 360 has already launched all of its best games? It's a false and uninformed comment. Get your facts straight.

Besides games named Halo, the top 2 selling games of all time on Xbox were Fable and Splinter Cell which haven't had their sequels released yet on 360. So there's more to come from the oft-maligned machine.

BTW, I never had an Xbox...I've had a PS1 and PS2, though.

PDF said: You run on the idea that both consoles will remain alive. If so the ps3 will have a hard time catching up. It may make the lead shoter but it may also always remain there. However the idea that both consoles will live a full life this gen is probably not gonna happen or atleast that is what ast rends tell us. If the 360 is the one to die the ps3 will have no trouble apsing the dead console.

 And you seem to run on the idea that one of them will stay alive while the other will die off but that is not what past trends tell us.

Past trends tell us that you generally get a very strong victor and the rest of the competitors limp along with poor sales until they either die off (Dreamcast) or are replaced by their successor (Saturn, N64, GC and Xbox).

Now I don't think that the 360 and PS3 will do as poorly as the GC and Xbox due to the bigger technical differences between Wii and PS360 so they both could do respectable numbers (30-40 millions consoles) but neither is likely to set the sales on fire and overtake/increase-the-lead over the other.

It is unlikely that either will die off as they have powerful interests behind them but if your scenario was to happen the PS3 would be the one most likely to die off as it seems to need to cut its price just to keep up with the 360 which make it becoming profitable anytime soon doubtful and Sony is not in as good a financial shape as Microsoft is with its Windows/Office monopoly.

Hopefully neither will die off and both will come back with better engineered consoles (360 because of RROD, PS3 because it is overengineered and thus too expensie -> Sony should learn the KISS principle) next gen to give nintendo so real competition (I love their consoles and games but I wouldn't want them to have  monopoly as it is never good for us).