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awesomeX10 on 13 May 2011
ImJustBayuum said:
awesomeX10 said:
smroadkill15 said:
Yes, the ps3 is getting plenty of 3rd party support especially more than before, but the 360 still gets plenty of support from 3rd party. There is exclusive content in the 360 version of Homefront, Child of Eden releases first on the 360, Crysis demo was on the 360 before any other systems, Beyond Good or Evil released on the 360 several months before psn, COD DLC first, etc.

the funny part about your examples it that Portal 2 is selling better on 360 reguadless and LA Noire will probably sell better on 360(judging from pre-order numbers). Mortal Kombat is the only 3rd party game that you mentioned with an extra goodie that will sell better on ps3, but I'm pretty sure it would sell better reguardless. If you didn't know the 360 version of Mortal Kombat has some extra goodies also like the Pit stage is exclusive to the 360, we can use our avatars in the king of the hill mode, 360 gets an extra mode called puzzle kombat, and scarlet (DLC character) will be free on the 360 for a limited time while ps3 users have to pay.

I want to know what this has to do with the topic of the thread?   

I'm not going or trying to pretend 360 doesn't have good 3rd party support but the other guy said that the reason they had it was because of lack of many core exclusive (thus relevant to this thread) Yet sony is gaining the 3rd party support in the year in which they have the most good 1st party exclusives so he's obviously wrong 

@ bolded....Are sure?? Coz from what I read, all he said was that Sony's strategy is more pro-Sony whilst MS is more pro-developer...which is an valid and reasonable assumption>>>less competition vs more competition

you were the who brought the 3rd party support argument into the debate.

yes I am sure, I could elaborate but I really don't see the point 



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ImJustBayuum on 13 May 2011
awesomeX10 said:
ImJustBayuum said:
awesomeX10 said:
smroadkill15 said:
Yes, the ps3 is getting plenty of 3rd party support especially more than before, but the 360 still gets plenty of support from 3rd party. There is exclusive content in the 360 version of Homefront, Child of Eden releases first on the 360, Crysis demo was on the 360 before any other systems, Beyond Good or Evil released on the 360 several months before psn, COD DLC first, etc.

the funny part about your examples it that Portal 2 is selling better on 360 reguadless and LA Noire will probably sell better on 360(judging from pre-order numbers). Mortal Kombat is the only 3rd party game that you mentioned with an extra goodie that will sell better on ps3, but I'm pretty sure it would sell better reguardless. If you didn't know the 360 version of Mortal Kombat has some extra goodies also like the Pit stage is exclusive to the 360, we can use our avatars in the king of the hill mode, 360 gets an extra mode called puzzle kombat, and scarlet (DLC character) will be free on the 360 for a limited time while ps3 users have to pay.

I want to know what this has to do with the topic of the thread?   

I'm not going or trying to pretend 360 doesn't have good 3rd party support but the other guy said that the reason they had it was because of lack of many core exclusive (thus relevant to this thread) Yet sony is gaining the 3rd party support in the year in which they have the most good 1st party exclusives so he's obviously wrong 

@ bolded....Are sure?? Coz from what I read, all he said was that Sony's strategy is more pro-Sony whilst MS is more pro-developer...which is an valid and reasonable assumption>>>less competition vs more competition

you were the who brought the 3rd party support argument into the debate.

yes I am sure, I could elaborate but I really don't see the point 

Ahh, I see...I was just looking back at this post: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4049189 where you said "theres a reason ps3 is getting more third party support now then 360 and thats because Sony is pumping out their games"

 



awesomeX10 on 13 May 2011
ImJustBayuum said:
awesomeX10 said:
ImJustBayuum said:
awesomeX10 said:
smroadkill15 said:
Yes, the ps3 is getting plenty of 3rd party support especially more than before, but the 360 still gets plenty of support from 3rd party. There is exclusive content in the 360 version of Homefront, Child of Eden releases first on the 360, Crysis demo was on the 360 before any other systems, Beyond Good or Evil released on the 360 several months before psn, COD DLC first, etc.

the funny part about your examples it that Portal 2 is selling better on 360 reguadless and LA Noire will probably sell better on 360(judging from pre-order numbers). Mortal Kombat is the only 3rd party game that you mentioned with an extra goodie that will sell better on ps3, but I'm pretty sure it would sell better reguardless. If you didn't know the 360 version of Mortal Kombat has some extra goodies also like the Pit stage is exclusive to the 360, we can use our avatars in the king of the hill mode, 360 gets an extra mode called puzzle kombat, and scarlet (DLC character) will be free on the 360 for a limited time while ps3 users have to pay.

I want to know what this has to do with the topic of the thread?   

I'm not going or trying to pretend 360 doesn't have good 3rd party support but the other guy said that the reason they had it was because of lack of many core exclusive (thus relevant to this thread) Yet sony is gaining the 3rd party support in the year in which they have the most good 1st party exclusives so he's obviously wrong 

@ bolded....Are sure?? Coz from what I read, all he said was that Sony's strategy is more pro-Sony whilst MS is more pro-developer...which is an valid and reasonable assumption>>>less competition vs more competition

you were the who brought the 3rd party support argument into the debate.

yes I am sure, I could elaborate but I really don't see the point 

Ahh, I see...I was just looking back at this post: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4049189 where you said "theres a reason ps3 is getting more third party support now then 360 and thats because Sony is pumping out their games"

The only reason to cater to 3rd parties is to get their support unless you think he's suggesting MS is trying to get 3rd parties more profit out of the goodness of their hearts which is lol



S.T.A.G.E. on 13 May 2011
Mr Puggsly said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Microsoft always does this with PR when it comes to questioning about the lack of core titles. They need to stop dodging straight forward questions about lack of first party exclusives. I highly doubt they will have anything special. If they do I will be pleasantly surprised.

Well what would you expect them to say? We already know they have several core games in the works and If they have any to unveil they'll do it at E3.


Name them.



S.T.A.G.E. on 13 May 2011
scat398 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
awesomeX10 said:
smroadkill15 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Microsoft always does this with PR when it comes to questioning about the lack of core titles. They need to stop dodging straight forward questions about lack of first party exclusives. I highly doubt they will have anything special. If they do I will be pleasantly surprised.

Well what would you expect them to say? We already know they have several core games in the works and If they have any to unveil they'll do it at E3.

halo 

gears 

forza 

fable 

alan wake 

5 is several? 

Ummm yea. Several means anything more than 2, but not that much more. So 5 is pretty much the perfect example of the word several. 

so by your logic 3 is several lol
sev·er·al   
1. being more than two but fewer than many in number or kind: several ways of doing it.

 

Its the definition, not just one's logic.

hmm I always thought several came after many for some reason, so there are several core games in development for 360 but not many according to dictionary about many and several 

You make it sound like a bad thing.  MS has figured out that releasing a large number of exclusive titles does little to increase base and only angers developers who see their share of the pie decreasing.  Better to focus on a few exclusives and a few multiplat titles to maximize revenue without sacrificing income.  That's why will see Kinect, Gears, Halo, and then multiplat's at E3. 


Microsoft has never had a massive number of exclusives come out first party like Sony. They could never know such a thing. They need to start making some new in house first party studios and getting them to make an interesting variety of titles.



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ImJustBayuum on 13 May 2011
awesomeX10 said:
ImJustBayuum said:
awesomeX10 said:
ImJustBayuum said:
awesomeX10 said:
smroadkill15 said:
Yes, the ps3 is getting plenty of 3rd party support especially more than before, but the 360 still gets plenty of support from 3rd party. There is exclusive content in the 360 version of Homefront, Child of Eden releases first on the 360, Crysis demo was on the 360 before any other systems, Beyond Good or Evil released on the 360 several months before psn, COD DLC first, etc.

the funny part about your examples it that Portal 2 is selling better on 360 reguadless and LA Noire will probably sell better on 360(judging from pre-order numbers). Mortal Kombat is the only 3rd party game that you mentioned with an extra goodie that will sell better on ps3, but I'm pretty sure it would sell better reguardless. If you didn't know the 360 version of Mortal Kombat has some extra goodies also like the Pit stage is exclusive to the 360, we can use our avatars in the king of the hill mode, 360 gets an extra mode called puzzle kombat, and scarlet (DLC character) will be free on the 360 for a limited time while ps3 users have to pay.

I want to know what this has to do with the topic of the thread?   

I'm not going or trying to pretend 360 doesn't have good 3rd party support but the other guy said that the reason they had it was because of lack of many core exclusive (thus relevant to this thread) Yet sony is gaining the 3rd party support in the year in which they have the most good 1st party exclusives so he's obviously wrong 

@ bolded....Are sure?? Coz from what I read, all he said was that Sony's strategy is more pro-Sony whilst MS is more pro-developer...which is an valid and reasonable assumption>>>less competition vs more competition

you were the who brought the 3rd party support argument into the debate.

yes I am sure, I could elaborate but I really don't see the point 

Ahh, I see...I was just looking back at this post: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4049189 where you said "theres a reason ps3 is getting more third party support now then 360 and thats because Sony is pumping out their games"

The only reason to cater to 3rd parties is to get their support unless you think he's suggesting MS is trying to get 3rd parties more profit out of the goodness of their hearts which is lol

I'll say their intention is not to cater to the 3rd parties for the reason you stated, but rather they rely on third party titles to suppliment their mega profitable but few exclusives thus providing a healthy offerings for the userbase whilst still earning money. The unintentional result of their strategy is that developers will prolly earn more money on xbox 36o multiplats then on ps3 multiplats.

 



awesomeX10 on 13 May 2011
ImJustBayuum said:
awesomeX10 said:
The only reason to cater to 3rd parties is to get their support unless you think he's suggesting MS is trying to get 3rd parties more profit out of the goodness of their hearts which is lol

 

I'll say their intention is not to cater to the 3rd parties for the reason you stated, but rather they rely on third party titles to suppliment their mega profitable but few exclusives thus providing a healthy offerings for the userbase whilst still earning money. The unintentional result of their strategy is that developers will prolly earn more money on xbox 36o multiplats then on ps3 multiplats.

Yet neither him nor you has named a dev which makes significantly more on 360 then ps3, and the fact that companies expect to ship more games (copies) this year then last year on ps3 is pretty much the opposite of his reasoning that less first party equals more third party sales I'm sure many companies make more profit on 360 as do many companies on ps3 but lack of exclusives has very little to do with it 



Mr Puggsly on 13 May 2011
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Name them.

Well the games definitely coming this year are Forza 4 and Gears 3. Kingdoms was supposed to be out this year but I'm guessing it'll be delayed. Alan Wake and Halo games are in the works but may not come this year.

Kinect is potentially getting a few core games this year as well.

Like they said, we'll have to wait for E3. If nothing is announced, feel free to complain.



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ImJustBayuum on 13 May 2011
awesomeX10 said:
ImJustBayuum said:
awesomeX10 said:
The only reason to cater to 3rd parties is to get their support unless you think he's suggesting MS is trying to get 3rd parties more profit out of the goodness of their hearts which is lol

 

I'll say their intention is not to cater to the 3rd parties for the reason you stated, but rather they rely on third party titles to suppliment their mega profitable but few exclusives thus providing a healthy offerings for the userbase whilst still earning money. The unintentional result of their strategy is that developers will prolly earn more money on xbox 36o multiplats then on ps3 multiplats.

Yet neither him nor you has named a dev which makes significantly more on 360 then ps3, and the fact that companies expect to ship more games (copies) this year then last year on ps3 is pretty much the opposite of his reasoning that less first party equals more third party sales I'm sure many companies make more profit on 360 as do many companies on ps3 but lack of exclusives has very little to do with it 


EA, Ubisoft, THQ, Activition...etc

There are a number of valid reasons for this...one of which was pointed out by MrPuggsly.



arcane_chaos on 13 May 2011

I just hope they don't spend to much time on Kinect at this years E3