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awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

A) Not quite

B) The company who makes the game.  As always.  In fact, I'm not even sure that Sony actually DOES host the master server lists for PS3.

Everything i've read suggests they don't.

A. If you're going to correct me correct me, just don't say I'm wrong 

B. We both know that would lead to far more outtages only for specific games instead and most ps3 exclusive games would be down now anyways so I just don't see whats so beneficial about that

A)  Dedicated servers still use a master server to direct you to the dedicated servers.  The only difference between a Peer to Peer server, and a Dedicated server is that peer to peer servers are run by a specific player.  While peer to peer servers are run on machines "dedicated" to run those games.  Meaning they run much smoother, and makes gameplay more balanced and smooth.   That's pretty much it.


B) Why?  Server outages are fairly rare.  If it went the PC route... chances are most games wouldn't ever see an outage.  VS now... where all games have faced a simaltanious outtage.  I can't think of a time a game i've played has actually had a server outage before this.

 

Aside from which, even if you accepted the unlikely outcome that it would be more common.  You don't see the advantage in said outages being spread out apart from each other?

It goes something like this,  "Call of Duty is down... that sucks.  Lets play some Battlefield Bad Company."

But this situation right now is so freaking rare, even normal matainance of every game having it's own server would overcome this 3 weeks before something like this even comes close to happening again this is pretty much a once in 10 years if that event atleast a once in 5 years so yeah... and no1 saw it comming, on the bright side the whole server network got rebuilt so hopefully that means improvement all around and features that were too much of a pain to implement before

I wouldn't say NOBODY saw this coming.  People did see it coming... people specifically warned sony about security procedures and I mean... I know I thought something of Sony's would get hacked after they decided to harass hackers.

aside from which... normal maintence of each server... are you suggesting the PS3 servers don't go under maitence now?  Cause... they do...

Of course I know Sony servers go through maintainace but they don't all have to be taken down for normal maintainance at once because there is so many of them if every publisher had their own servers it would be different especially for the smaller ones and I meant when psn was set up no1 saw it coming of course after Sony attacked hackers people speculated they would attack Sony and they really should have updated before but I honestly don't think it would have made a major difference and like I said Sony is handling every aspect of the problem 


I'm guessing you never have played many PC games before... cause... they don''t.  I mean... you keep making arguements as if this is some kind of unheard of non implemented thing...



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MaxwellGT2000 said:
awesomeX10 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Kasz216 said:
awesomeX10 said:
Without psn/live you'd need someones IP to connect to their game...

I don't need their IP on PC.  Steam or otherwise.

I don't know the details but thats because there is a server of some kind set up for at the very least the waiting room 

Actually there are MANY different server browsers on PC.  Including Steam.

For the same games no less. 

You can use like 15-20 differnet server browsers for TF2 or Battlefield BC or whatever you wanna play.

Point being... having one service being the monolithic server browser for every game in a system... is... stupid... and I hope I don't have to explain why.

You didn't contradict me, you actually proved my point you still need A server but the question becomes on a close platform where does the servers come from if not from the company who makes the platform? You say they should do something else but don't say what else they can do 


Pssssst *whispering* it's called opening up your service to allow for people to dedicate their own servers, you know it's not hard, every online service ever has done it till XBL came into the scene, heck if it was built that way this whole situation would be a mild inconvience (of not being able to access the PSN store and your friends list) while still playing on Gamespys servers (since Sony uses the same services Nintendo uses for online ^^)

It would create hacking and cheaters that Sony wouldn't have any control over it and it would also make it impossible to switch between servers with a character so if the server is down you still can't play your character with your account and I was talking about the p2p games not dedicated server games, no1 is going to go out of their way for a waiting room and if the game makers did it it makes having one account for all games impossible and everything related to that, a open network just isn't a option on a closed system 


Uh I can use my Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II characters on official servers (which are off now) or on fan hosted servers (who have a more direct control than even big corporations do and instead of waiting hours for a ban there's often times someone always on to ban them immediately) 

Seriously man give it up on that whole angle for your argument, it really doesn't work, yes individuals make servers to hack cause some people have fun with a modified game, others run a tighter ship than the official servers, and that's what it's all about, choice and freedom, cause nothing is stopping you from using official servers in this case.

You do realize switching like that opens up cheating, you go on a hacking server get all the best items and max level then go back to official ones not to mention piracy since the servers have to actually have the code to run it it's just a mess of piracy and cheating waiting to happen and has happened on pc



awesomeX10 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:

 


Uh I can use my Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II characters on official servers (which are off now) or on fan hosted servers (who have a more direct control than even big corporations do and instead of waiting hours for a ban there's often times someone always on to ban them immediately) 

Seriously man give it up on that whole angle for your argument, it really doesn't work, yes individuals make servers to hack cause some people have fun with a modified game, others run a tighter ship than the official servers, and that's what it's all about, choice and freedom, cause nothing is stopping you from using official servers in this case.

You do realize switching like that opens up cheating, you go on a hacking server get all the best items and max level then go back to official ones not to mention piracy since the servers have to actually have the code to run it it's just a mess of piracy and cheating waiting to happen and has happened on pc


You know nothing of what you're talking about and should stop and listen to those that do.  You know that no matter how much you cheat in games like Monster Hunter Tri and Phantasy Star Online even with the best equipment if you still suck at the game you won't be at that much of an advantage, you should ask all the PSP players on MHF2 that use that gamesave on Gamefaqs VNwater  

Opening up doesn't open some gateway to piracy, apparently promising services and then taking them out of your system does anyway those that are currently hacking the PS3 can pirate all they want and still play on official servers, in fact that works for all three consoles, know why?  Cause they don't have ways against that like PC titles, like product keys so no two people with the same key can play online.  

You're fighting a losing battle here, please just stop and listen, thanks.



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MaxwellGT2000 said:
awesomeX10 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:

 


Uh I can use my Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II characters on official servers (which are off now) or on fan hosted servers (who have a more direct control than even big corporations do and instead of waiting hours for a ban there's often times someone always on to ban them immediately) 

Seriously man give it up on that whole angle for your argument, it really doesn't work, yes individuals make servers to hack cause some people have fun with a modified game, others run a tighter ship than the official servers, and that's what it's all about, choice and freedom, cause nothing is stopping you from using official servers in this case.

You do realize switching like that opens up cheating, you go on a hacking server get all the best items and max level then go back to official ones not to mention piracy since the servers have to actually have the code to run it it's just a mess of piracy and cheating waiting to happen and has happened on pc


You know nothing of what you're talking about and should stop and listen to those that do.  You know that no matter how much you cheat in games like Monster Hunter Tri and Phantasy Star Online even with the best equipment if you still suck at the game you won't be at that much of an advantage, you should ask all the PSP players on MHF2 that use that gamesave on Gamefaqs VNwater  

Opening up doesn't open some gateway to piracy, apparently promising services and then taking them out of your system does anyway those that are currently hacking the PS3 can pirate all they want and still play on official servers, in fact that works for all three consoles, know why?  Cause they don't have ways against that like PC titles, like product keys so no two people with the same key can play online.  

You're fighting a losing battle here, please just stop and listen, thanks.

So you're saying yes everyone can cheat but I don't care? And as far as I'm aware pirated games can't be played online on ps3 atleast not for long 



awesomeX10 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
awesomeX10 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:

 


Uh I can use my Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II characters on official servers (which are off now) or on fan hosted servers (who have a more direct control than even big corporations do and instead of waiting hours for a ban there's often times someone always on to ban them immediately) 

Seriously man give it up on that whole angle for your argument, it really doesn't work, yes individuals make servers to hack cause some people have fun with a modified game, others run a tighter ship than the official servers, and that's what it's all about, choice and freedom, cause nothing is stopping you from using official servers in this case.

You do realize switching like that opens up cheating, you go on a hacking server get all the best items and max level then go back to official ones not to mention piracy since the servers have to actually have the code to run it it's just a mess of piracy and cheating waiting to happen and has happened on pc


You know nothing of what you're talking about and should stop and listen to those that do.  You know that no matter how much you cheat in games like Monster Hunter Tri and Phantasy Star Online even with the best equipment if you still suck at the game you won't be at that much of an advantage, you should ask all the PSP players on MHF2 that use that gamesave on Gamefaqs VNwater  

Opening up doesn't open some gateway to piracy, apparently promising services and then taking them out of your system does anyway those that are currently hacking the PS3 can pirate all they want and still play on official servers, in fact that works for all three consoles, know why?  Cause they don't have ways against that like PC titles, like product keys so no two people with the same key can play online.  

You're fighting a losing battle here, please just stop and listen, thanks.

So you're saying yes everyone can cheat but I don't care? And as far as I'm aware pirated games can't be played online on ps3 atleast not for long 


Then you're not aware at all.  The online system has no way of checking to see if your game is an original or not this is why people created product keys. 

And people will cheat no matter what game it is or how open it is, you're being a bit foolish to think cheating doesn't already happen a lot on PSN with it being closed, lets see, you've got the massive CoD hacks that aren't even taken down anymore cause the people that run those servers, Infinity Ward, doesn't seem to care anymore and there are no updates (if you had some private servers hackers like that would be banned on sight) , though the reason for the lack of updates is probably due to the closed service IE with Sony's locked down service you're only able to allowed so much you can let people download then Sony starts charging the company and they obviously don't like that.

I can go onto the cheating done on Demons Souls as well, but it falls under the Monster Hunter and Phantasy Star logic, you can cheat your way to the top, you still suck at the game



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MaxwellGT2000 said:
awesomeX10 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
awesomeX10 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:

 


Uh I can use my Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II characters on official servers (which are off now) or on fan hosted servers (who have a more direct control than even big corporations do and instead of waiting hours for a ban there's often times someone always on to ban them immediately) 

Seriously man give it up on that whole angle for your argument, it really doesn't work, yes individuals make servers to hack cause some people have fun with a modified game, others run a tighter ship than the official servers, and that's what it's all about, choice and freedom, cause nothing is stopping you from using official servers in this case.

You do realize switching like that opens up cheating, you go on a hacking server get all the best items and max level then go back to official ones not to mention piracy since the servers have to actually have the code to run it it's just a mess of piracy and cheating waiting to happen and has happened on pc


You know nothing of what you're talking about and should stop and listen to those that do.  You know that no matter how much you cheat in games like Monster Hunter Tri and Phantasy Star Online even with the best equipment if you still suck at the game you won't be at that much of an advantage, you should ask all the PSP players on MHF2 that use that gamesave on Gamefaqs VNwater  

Opening up doesn't open some gateway to piracy, apparently promising services and then taking them out of your system does anyway those that are currently hacking the PS3 can pirate all they want and still play on official servers, in fact that works for all three consoles, know why?  Cause they don't have ways against that like PC titles, like product keys so no two people with the same key can play online.  

You're fighting a losing battle here, please just stop and listen, thanks.

So you're saying yes everyone can cheat but I don't care? And as far as I'm aware pirated games can't be played online on ps3 atleast not for long 


Then you're not aware at all.  The online system has no way of checking to see if your game is an original or not this is why people created product keys. 

And people will cheat no matter what game it is or how open it is, you're being a bit foolish to think cheating doesn't already happen a lot on PSN with it being closed, lets see, you've got the massive CoD hacks that aren't even taken down anymore cause the people that run those servers Infinity Ward doesn't seem to care anymore and there are no updates (if you had some private servers hackers like that would be banned on sight) , though the reason for the lack of updates is probably due to the closed service IE with Sony's locked down service you're only able to allowed so much you can let people download then Sony starts charging the company and they obviously don't like that.

I can go onto the cheating done on Demons Souls as well, but it falls under the Monster Hunter and Phantasy Star logic, you can cheat your way to the top, you still suck at the game

You require fake firmware to play pirated games thats what Sony can detect they couldn't use that method if they didn't have all the servers and we'd have to go to the crappy protection that doesn't work well on pc and yes I'm aware that theres cheating but it's rare and usually a problem with how the games online was set up or a glich in the game, pc gaming is worse on both cheating and piracy and like I pointed out before this is a once event it's not happening again, if everyone had their own servers something like this would be happening every month to some game or another  



omg someone please give me a power up rewards coupon for the ps3!!!

I'll buy one tomorrow!



I must say that it's very possible that Sony have been planning a pricedrop regardless of what has happened. They might even consider this opportune.



theprof00 said:

omg someone please give me a power up rewards coupon for the ps3!!!

I'll buy one tomorrow!


Give me a second. I'll try to see how to find it... 



Sig thanks to Saber! :D 

awesomeX10 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
awesomeX10 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
awesomeX10 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:

 


Uh I can use my Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II characters on official servers (which are off now) or on fan hosted servers (who have a more direct control than even big corporations do and instead of waiting hours for a ban there's often times someone always on to ban them immediately) 

Seriously man give it up on that whole angle for your argument, it really doesn't work, yes individuals make servers to hack cause some people have fun with a modified game, others run a tighter ship than the official servers, and that's what it's all about, choice and freedom, cause nothing is stopping you from using official servers in this case.

You do realize switching like that opens up cheating, you go on a hacking server get all the best items and max level then go back to official ones not to mention piracy since the servers have to actually have the code to run it it's just a mess of piracy and cheating waiting to happen and has happened on pc


You know nothing of what you're talking about and should stop and listen to those that do.  You know that no matter how much you cheat in games like Monster Hunter Tri and Phantasy Star Online even with the best equipment if you still suck at the game you won't be at that much of an advantage, you should ask all the PSP players on MHF2 that use that gamesave on Gamefaqs VNwater  

Opening up doesn't open some gateway to piracy, apparently promising services and then taking them out of your system does anyway those that are currently hacking the PS3 can pirate all they want and still play on official servers, in fact that works for all three consoles, know why?  Cause they don't have ways against that like PC titles, like product keys so no two people with the same key can play online.  

You're fighting a losing battle here, please just stop and listen, thanks.

So you're saying yes everyone can cheat but I don't care? And as far as I'm aware pirated games can't be played online on ps3 atleast not for long 


Then you're not aware at all.  The online system has no way of checking to see if your game is an original or not this is why people created product keys. 

And people will cheat no matter what game it is or how open it is, you're being a bit foolish to think cheating doesn't already happen a lot on PSN with it being closed, lets see, you've got the massive CoD hacks that aren't even taken down anymore cause the people that run those servers Infinity Ward doesn't seem to care anymore and there are no updates (if you had some private servers hackers like that would be banned on sight) , though the reason for the lack of updates is probably due to the closed service IE with Sony's locked down service you're only able to allowed so much you can let people download then Sony starts charging the company and they obviously don't like that.

I can go onto the cheating done on Demons Souls as well, but it falls under the Monster Hunter and Phantasy Star logic, you can cheat your way to the top, you still suck at the game

You require fake firmware to play pirated games thats what Sony can detect they couldn't use that method if they didn't have all the servers and we'd have to go to the crappy protection that doesn't work well on pc and yes I'm aware that theres cheating but it's rare and usually a problem with how the games online was set up or a glich in the game, pc gaming is worse on both cheating and piracy and like I pointed out before this is a once event it's not happening again, if everyone had their own servers something like this would be happening every month to some game or another  


No... just no... PC gaming is worse on cheating if you A venture to cheating servers to begin with or B developer doesn't support the game well, but point B goes for any service like how CoD4 on PSN was hacked to death  

You really don't seem to get it, there are a multitude of actions taken to prevent everything you're talking about, your concerns aren't even a factor for people who game on PC, but what PC gamers would hate is if some game had only one service you could go through to connect to their games and for that service to go down for 3 weeks or more. 

And no PSN doesn't detect fake firmware well, PSP is the perfect example of that, cause whenever a new firmware is detected and taken out hackers modify it to get around security... it doesn't stop all at once my friend, it's just like beliving something is "unhackable" it really just takes some smart people, a decent bit of drive, and some time.  PSN servers will come up again, if there was a team dedicated to hacking it again and they weren't some lame people wanting to do a basic DDoS attack, they would make their way back in eventually.



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