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Pyro as Bill said:

Lol @ "England wouldn't let it happen"

The last polls showed that a higher percentage of Englanders wanted Scotland to go independent compared with the Scots. For the SNP to have the best chance of getting what they want, they would have needed the vote to be English only, haha.

Don't confuse England with Britain/UK. England is the one that's been around for over a thousand years with an incredible history, with a large part devoted to being INVADED by Scotland. The UK is the bastard child that was forcibly created by a SCOTTISH, not English, King.

As to what would happen?

No more UK. I don't see England, Wales and Northern Ireland staying together. The Labour party will be destroyed and England will be run by a less communist, more free, more eurosceptic government.

Scotland would remain a monarchy. The SNP hate it but the majority of the Scots love it as much as the rest of the UK.

I'd propose that the UK seat on the security council be given to the Commonwealth. Share it between England, Scotland, Canada, Australia etc on the condition that France gives it's seat to the EU.

Once everything's done, England should help finance the Shetlands campaign for independence from Scotland. The oil belongs to the Shetlanders. HANDS OFF SCOTLAND!

lol at Large Proportion of English History which was invaded by Scotland, Sorry but you will have to do an bit more research because its the other way around :D. Anyways you talk up Scotland like they are an super Power in waiting lol. 



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if Scotland does decide to separate, UK/Britain awe or reverence in the international arena will be seriously hurt / lost.



they get their own "Scotland's got Talent" show?



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Pyro as Bill said:

Don't confuse England with Britain/UK. England is the one that's been around for over a thousand years with an incredible history, with a large part devoted to being INVADED by Scotland. The UK is the bastard child that was forcibly created by a SCOTTISH, not English, King.

Act of Union, 1707. Google it. It was the right thing at the time but now people want a change.

Scotland would remain a monarchy. The SNP hate it but the majority of the Scots love it as much as the rest of the UK.

I'm Scottish. I have no time for the monarchy. Guess I'm in the minority then?

I'd propose that the UK seat on the security council be given to the Commonwealth. Share it between England, Scotland, Canada, Australia etc on the condition that France gives it's seat to the EU.


What?


Why did no-one tell me about this thread?

Also, independence or not just look at last year's general election results and you'll see that all but one constituency in Scotland voted left-wing. This alone speaks volumes and should tell you that the current UK cabinet are not what we wanted. Imagine 95% of a group of people voting for labour, and gettin a Tory-Lib Dem cabinet. Why would anyone be happy with that? Scotland's people (the majority of them) voted for one party and are not seeing the effects of this because England tends to have large numbers of Tory votes.

Even on this point alone, its clear that England and Scotland have different interests, and while I'm not clear yet exactly where my mind is on the independence referendum, it is OBVIOUS that the union is no longer as useful (or as united) as it once was.

Scotland should belong to the Scottish people, and they should have the RIGHT to decide whether that means being a state as part of the UK or being their own country. Although the outcome will affect the rest of the UK, it ultimately is up to the people if they want to be independent.

Hopefully David Cameron will back the fuck down and realise this. Doing "everything he can" to oppose this independence, that just screams of oppressive control freakishness.



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.
trashleg said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Don't confuse England with Britain/UK. England is the one that's been around for over a thousand years with an incredible history, with a large part devoted to being INVADED by Scotland. The UK is the bastard child that was forcibly created by a SCOTTISH, not English, King.

Act of Union, 1707. Google it. It was the right thing at the time but now people want a change.

Scotland would remain a monarchy. The SNP hate it but the majority of the Scots love it as much as the rest of the UK.

I'm Scottish. I have no time for the monarchy. Guess I'm in the minority then?

I'd propose that the UK seat on the security council be given to the Commonwealth. Share it between England, Scotland, Canada, Australia etc on the condition that France gives it's seat to the EU.


What?


Why did no-one tell me about this thread?

Also, independence or not just look at last year's general election results and you'll see that all but one constituency in Scotland voted left-wing. This alone speaks volumes and should tell you that the current UK cabinet are not what we wanted. Imagine 95% of a group of people voting for labour, and gettin a Tory-Lib Dem cabinet. Why would anyone be happy with that? Scotland's people (the majority of them) voted for one party and are not seeing the effects of this because England tends to have large numbers of Tory votes.

Even on this point alone, its clear that England and Scotland have different interests, and while I'm not clear yet exactly where my mind is on the independence referendum, it is OBVIOUS that the union is no longer as useful (or as united) as it once was.

Scotland should belong to the Scottish people, and they should have the RIGHT to decide whether that means being a state as part of the UK or being their own country. Although the outcome will affect the rest of the UK, it ultimately is up to the people if they want to be independent.

Hopefully David Cameron will back the fuck down and realise this. Doing "everything he can" to oppose this independence, that just screams of oppressive control freakishness.


I thought the UK and scotland were one in the same. All I know about scotland is man were those kilt dress things and they like to play the bag pipes,are amI just confusing that with the classic movie braveheart. freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!  



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oldschoolfool said:
trashleg said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Don't confuse England with Britain/UK. England is the one that's been around for over a thousand years with an incredible history, with a large part devoted to being INVADED by Scotland. The UK is the bastard child that was forcibly created by a SCOTTISH, not English, King.

Act of Union, 1707. Google it. It was the right thing at the time but now people want a change.

Scotland would remain a monarchy. The SNP hate it but the majority of the Scots love it as much as the rest of the UK.

I'm Scottish. I have no time for the monarchy. Guess I'm in the minority then?

I'd propose that the UK seat on the security council be given to the Commonwealth. Share it between England, Scotland, Canada, Australia etc on the condition that France gives it's seat to the EU.


What?


Why did no-one tell me about this thread?

Also, independence or not just look at last year's general election results and you'll see that all but one constituency in Scotland voted left-wing. This alone speaks volumes and should tell you that the current UK cabinet are not what we wanted. Imagine 95% of a group of people voting for labour, and gettin a Tory-Lib Dem cabinet. Why would anyone be happy with that? Scotland's people (the majority of them) voted for one party and are not seeing the effects of this because England tends to have large numbers of Tory votes.

Even on this point alone, its clear that England and Scotland have different interests, and while I'm not clear yet exactly where my mind is on the independence referendum, it is OBVIOUS that the union is no longer as useful (or as united) as it once was.

Scotland should belong to the Scottish people, and they should have the RIGHT to decide whether that means being a state as part of the UK or being their own country. Although the outcome will affect the rest of the UK, it ultimately is up to the people if they want to be independent.

Hopefully David Cameron will back the fuck down and realise this. Doing "everything he can" to oppose this independence, that just screams of oppressive control freakishness.


I thought the UK and scotland were one in the same. All I know about scotland is man were those kilt dress things and they like to play the bag pipes,are amI just confusing that with the classic movie braveheart. freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!  


UK = United Kindom of Great Britain and Northern Island

Great Britain = England, Wales and Scotland

 

More people should know that distinction.  A bit like how quite a few really stupid people think that Holland = The Netherlands




oldschoolfool said:


I thought the UK and scotland were one in the same. All I know about scotland is man were those kilt dress things and they like to play the bag pipes,are amI just confusing that with the classic movie braveheart. freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!  

The UK is the "United Kingdom" of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Great Britain (Britain) is England, Scotland and Wales.

The UK parliament is based in London, which governs the whole of the UK. But Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland I believe have devolved powers. These powers, however, are limited and the UK parliament still has the "final say" if they don't agree with decisions made my the devolved governments.

The current UK government is a Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition, and the Scottish Government is currently SNP (Scottish National Party). They just won the election this month.


Everyone in the UK votes for a General Election. People in Scotland vote for the Scottish elections (naturally). There is a bit of controversy this time though because the SNP have been promising a referendum on independence, and David Cameron (leader of the Conservative party and thus primus inter pares of the UK government's cabinet) is fiercely opposed to it.



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.

This would never happen, I don't understand where these stupid ideas come from. Many changes would have to be made, in fact I would predict many Scottish to emmigrate elsewhere due to a decision like that. If you hate Scotland then allow this to occur, which I don't due to my Scottish heritage despite being mainly English.



trashleg said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Don't confuse England with Britain/UK. England is the one that's been around for over a thousand years with an incredible history, with a large part devoted to being INVADED by Scotland. The UK is the bastard child that was forcibly created by a SCOTTISH, not English, King.

Act of Union, 1707. Google it. It was the right thing at the time but now people want a change.

Scotland would remain a monarchy. The SNP hate it but the majority of the Scots love it as much as the rest of the UK.

I'm Scottish. I have no time for the monarchy. Guess I'm in the minority then?

I'd propose that the UK seat on the security council be given to the Commonwealth. Share it between England, Scotland, Canada, Australia etc on the condition that France gives it's seat to the EU.


What?


Why did no-one tell me about this thread?

Also, independence or not just look at last year's general election results and you'll see that all but one constituency in Scotland voted left-wing. This alone speaks volumes and should tell you that the current UK cabinet are not what we wanted. Imagine 95% of a group of people voting for labour, and gettin a Tory-Lib Dem cabinet. Why would anyone be happy with that? Scotland's people (the majority of them) voted for one party and are not seeing the effects of this because England tends to have large numbers of Tory votes.

Even on this point alone, its clear that England and Scotland have different interests, and while I'm not clear yet exactly where my mind is on the independence referendum, it is OBVIOUS that the union is no longer as useful (or as united) as it once was.

Scotland should belong to the Scottish people, and they should have the RIGHT to decide whether that means being a state as part of the UK or being their own country. Although the outcome will affect the rest of the UK, it ultimately is up to the people if they want to be independent.

Hopefully David Cameron will back the fuck down and realise this. Doing "everything he can" to oppose this independence, that just screams of oppressive control freakishness.

I think Cameron has already stated he won't oppose the referendum, but he will (for obvious reasons) campaign against independence.

 

@MrT-Tar. The Netherlands have also been known as Holland for centuries, largely because Holland was politically dominant way back when the Netherlands formed. While it's incorrect, it's not really stupid to refer to the Netherlands as Holland.



Rath said:
trashleg said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Don't confuse England with Britain/UK. England is the one that's been around for over a thousand years with an incredible history, with a large part devoted to being INVADED by Scotland. The UK is the bastard child that was forcibly created by a SCOTTISH, not English, King.

Act of Union, 1707. Google it. It was the right thing at the time but now people want a change.

Scotland would remain a monarchy. The SNP hate it but the majority of the Scots love it as much as the rest of the UK.

I'm Scottish. I have no time for the monarchy. Guess I'm in the minority then?

I'd propose that the UK seat on the security council be given to the Commonwealth. Share it between England, Scotland, Canada, Australia etc on the condition that France gives it's seat to the EU.


What?


Why did no-one tell me about this thread?

Also, independence or not just look at last year's general election results and you'll see that all but one constituency in Scotland voted left-wing. This alone speaks volumes and should tell you that the current UK cabinet are not what we wanted. Imagine 95% of a group of people voting for labour, and gettin a Tory-Lib Dem cabinet. Why would anyone be happy with that? Scotland's people (the majority of them) voted for one party and are not seeing the effects of this because England tends to have large numbers of Tory votes.

Even on this point alone, its clear that England and Scotland have different interests, and while I'm not clear yet exactly where my mind is on the independence referendum, it is OBVIOUS that the union is no longer as useful (or as united) as it once was.

Scotland should belong to the Scottish people, and they should have the RIGHT to decide whether that means being a state as part of the UK or being their own country. Although the outcome will affect the rest of the UK, it ultimately is up to the people if they want to be independent.

Hopefully David Cameron will back the fuck down and realise this. Doing "everything he can" to oppose this independence, that just screams of oppressive control freakishness.

I think Cameron has already stated he won't oppose the referendum, but he will (for obvious reasons) campaign against independence.

 

@MrT-Tar. The Netherlands have also been known as Holland for centuries, largely because Holland was politically dominant way back when the Netherlands formed. While it's incorrect, it's not really stupid to refer to the Netherlands as Holland.


It's like calling "Eskimos" "Inuits", they actually don't like being called Inuits.